Where is bar set for Lions game?

[Harlan Huckleby]

What I think is that they are being overestimated just a because of the last 5 games

Where do you rank Seattle's defense in the NFL, and I remind you that you are under oath.

I put them #1.

[Striker]

Where do you rank Seattle's defense in the NFL, and I remind you that you are under oath.

I put them #1.

It's a push between Detroit and Seattle. Both have been winning games for their offense. The big difference being Wilson rarely turns the ball over, while Stafford will go out swinging.

However, are we discussing how good they're looking relative to their competition? Or are we talking about where they're ranked? Because it seems like you're trying to create a completely different argument here compared to what I stated.

They look like they're back to last year's form. They've also played some pretty bad QBs, so you've got to factor that in as well.

[Harlan Huckleby]

It's a push between Detroit and Seattle.

Then why did you challenge my posts about Packer prospects by saying Seattle D is overrated?
If Seattle is merely great rather than spectacular, that is still cryptonite to a team stymied by Buffalo & Miami Ds.

One of these days, Alice - to the moon!

[mraynrand]

You almost sound........ Optimistic?

I'm a realist. Packers can most certainly beat Seattle, but they'll need a whole team effort. They can score points, but they'll have to use a lot of different weapons and not get tunnel vision on Nelson and Cobb. Like the NE game. It's just a hard task, especially on the road.

[KYPack]

Harlan, you've lost the thread.

Change the title and the poll to "Who will sit at the bar for the Lions game"?

[Harlan Huckleby]

Harlan, you've lost the thread.

What does that mean? I expected most people would vote the safe route, comforting themselves with any sort of win against Lions.

Genius is often a burden, think of Galileo in that lonely jail cell for insisting the earth revolves around the sun.

[mraynrand]

think of Galileo in that lonely jail cell for insisting the earth revolves around the sun.

It'd hard to think about that.

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[George Cumby]

I'm a realist. Packers can most certainly beat Seattle, but they'll need a whole team effort. They can score points, but they'll have to use a lot of different weapons and not get tunnel vision on Nelson and Cobb. Like the NE game. It's just a hard task, especially on the road.

Copy that. Agreed they can win it but will require their best effort.

[Harlan Huckleby]

It's not just that beating Seattle will be hard on road. It will be unlikely. Even if GB plays well, chances are good that Seattle will have it dialed up to 11 too.

[Guiness]

Then why did you challenge my posts about Packer prospects by saying Seattle D is overrated?
If Seattle is merely great rather than spectacular, that is still cryptonite to a team stymied by Buffalo & Miami Ds.

One of these days, Alice - to the moon!

I think the point is that the gap is not that big. Seattle's D is probably the best in the league right now, but not as good as the 'have not allowed more than 10 a game in 4 of the last 5' would make it seem.

Buffalo's D, especially their front 7, is quite underrated btw. They are very good. I'm not convinced about their secondary, however.

[Bretsky]

The Packers are a TERRIBLE road team; look at all the scores through the season. I get it....a win is a win is a win. But we rarely looked like an elite team on the road

We are an elite team at home. We beat Detroit and win the division again. Anything less would be a failed season if the division is our first goal.

We had out playoffs when we lost to Buffalo. It's going to be ugly when we go to Seattle if we get that far.

[Bretsky]

I'm a realist. Packers can most certainly beat Seattle, but they'll need a whole team effort. They can score points, but they'll have to use a lot of different weapons and not get tunnel vision on Nelson and Cobb. Like the NE game. It's just a hard task, especially on the road.

We played our asses off "at home" vs New England on got the win

We don't match up well against that defense at home. We're in trouble imo on the read.

We just have to hope Seattle loses before they play us.

[Bretsky]

I think the point is that the gap is not that big. Seattle's D is probably the best in the league right now, but not as good as the 'have not allowed more than 10 a game in 4 of the last 5' would make it seem.

Buffalo's D, especially their front 7, is quite underrated btw. They are very good. I'm not convinced about their secondary, however.

"probably" ? They are now pretty healthy.

Who could you even argue has a better D ?

Seattle's secondary is go good MM decided to basically shut down a portion of the field because he was not confident Jordy or anybody could get open vs. Sherman.

They are at another level than any D in the NFL on a neutral field. They are just that fast and the telent is just that good.

Remember Seattle still has the HUGE advantage of paying Russell Wilson about 400,000 per year. That is just sick....and they can rotate all that money towards the defesne.

When Seattle has to pay Russ that defense will lose some of its speed and talent.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I think the point is that the gap is not that big. Seattle's D is probably the best in the league right now, but not as good as the 'have not allowed more than 10 a game in 4 of the last 5' would make it seem.

[Harlan Huckleby]

We had out playoffs when we lost to Buffalo. It's going to be ugly when we go to Seattle if we get that far.

Yes. Yet I always believe in redemption. It is never too late to turn things around - until it's too late. The Packers can get that offense clicking this Sunday. get hot, get that puncher's chance.

I think Seattle 2014 D is on par with Packers 1996, Bears 1985. Some say they are better this year than last.