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  • #16
    Originally posted by mraynrand View Post
    I'm not getting the love for Carolina. They were road kill just a few weeks ago. So they beat up some other NFC South teams. Sure, any given Sunday and all that, hot hand, but I don't see it.

    Detroit is a lot like the Rams, who have given the Seabirds fits. Ironical that the Rams rolled with Shawn Hill, who in the past played well for Detroit (among other teams). Detroit has a better offense than the Rams, and every bit as good a defense. (Donald doesn't step on people like Suh, but he gives the QB a nice forearm shiver after he's tackled).

    The key will always be the QB. Stafford, with his miserable mechanics, on the road, against good teams or Cam Newton, Mr. inconsistency. If the Cards get there, maybe they go single wing, cuz they ain't got a QB. Seattle will be hosting the NFCC game.
    I can see Detroit giving the Seahawks fits, but it seems the less likely outcome. I can see Carolina beating Arizona more readily.

    Carolina has their RB healthy (Stewart I think) and their Defense, which was inexplicably bad, has been trending up. Its just a guess though. I would rather Carolina get a shot than another bad QB facing the Seahawks.
    Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by LP View Post
      The NFL could put a stop to this if they really wanted to. That said, where is Jim Caldwell in all this? Supposedly a decent human being and a very good coach. I think he bears a bit of responsibility here. Three incidents in two games tells me he's not quite in control or not quite the guy we're told he is.
      He claimed he didn't see it but he believes it was unintentional.
      Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by LP View Post
        The NFL could put a stop to this if they really wanted to. That said, where is Jim Caldwell in all this? Supposedly a decent human being and a very good coach. I think he bears a bit of responsibility here. Three incidents in two games tells me he's not quite in control or not quite the guy we're told he is.
        I read a post game comment by Caldwell in which he excused Riola and Suh incidents as unintentional. Maybe he's not a good guy.
        One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
        John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers

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        • #19
          Originally posted by LP View Post
          The NFL could put a stop to this if they really wanted to. That said, where is Jim Caldwell in all this? Supposedly a decent human being and a very good coach. I think he bears a bit of responsibility here. Three incidents in two games tells me he's not quite in control or not quite the guy we're told he is.
          Do you really think any new coach could clean up that team after years of being coached by Schwartz?
          But Rodgers leads the league in frumpy expressions and negative body language on the sideline, which makes him, like Josh Allen, a unique double threat.

          -Tim Harmston

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          • #20
            Originally posted by LP View Post
            The NFL could put a stop to this if they really wanted to. That said, where is Jim Caldwell in all this? Supposedly a decent human being and a very good coach. I think he bears a bit of responsibility here. Three incidents in two games tells me he's not quite in control or not quite the guy we're told he is.
            Great question. It tuns out Caldwell has insider knowledge that the stomp was unintentional. Much ado about nothing.

            "I didn't see it and I don't think it was intentional, either," Caldwell said.

            If Caldwell didn't see it, how does he know it wasn't intentional?

            "I get briefed on it and guys look at it and tell me what they saw and what they thought," Caldwell said. "Don't think it's intentional, end of story."
            http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nf...tomp/20983723/

            I have no idea what kind of person Caldwell is, but it's pretty clear that he hasn't been able to transform the culture completely over there. But he's only been there for one year, and they have been doing what they do for a lot longer than that. Maybe if the Lions start winning with more regularity then the players will figure out that their own team suffers when they do that kind of crap.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Maxie the Taxi View Post
              I read a post game comment by Caldwell in which he excused Riola and Suh incidents as unintentional. Maybe he's not a good guy.
              what choice does he have? He needs those guys to win games.
              "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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              • #22
                Caldwell was 'briefed' by Suh. Maybe Suh gave him a wedgie.
                "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by pbmax View Post
                  He claimed he didn't see it but he believes it was unintentional.
                  I'm sure. He can see the replay's. This still says he's not in full control of his team if these players get away with it. Or he's not the guy we're told he is if he is trying to weasel out with that excuse. I think the ghost of the Schwantz hasn't been fully exorcised yet.

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                  • #24
                    I will give Caldwell credit for the Lions season. He kept a lid on the worst stuff and still got a good performance from their D. They aren't clean, but it wasn't the Schwartz tire fire either.
                    Last edited by pbmax; 12-29-2014, 10:47 AM.
                    Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by LP View Post
                      I'm sure. He can see the replay's. This still says he's not in full control of his team if these players get away with it. Or he's not the guy we're told he is if he is trying to weasel out with that excuse. I think the ghost of the Schwantz hasn't been fully exorcised yet.
                      No doubt!
                      But Rodgers leads the league in frumpy expressions and negative body language on the sideline, which makes him, like Josh Allen, a unique double threat.

                      -Tim Harmston

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                      • #26
                        Given his (and his team's) history - I see a suspension as possible. If it was first time - no biggie.

                        My gut says they'll fine him and let 'em play. And frankly, I'd rather have Suh in there vs. Cowboys so we can get Zona/Carolina instead.
                        The measure of who we are is what we do with what we have.
                        Vince Lombardi

                        "Not really interested in being a spoiler or an underdog. We're the Green Bay Packers." McCarthy.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by hoosier View Post
                          Great question. It tuns out Caldwell has insider knowledge that the stomp was unintentional. Much ado about nothing.



                          http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nf...tomp/20983723/

                          I have no idea what kind of person Caldwell is, but it's pretty clear that he hasn't been able to transform the culture completely over there. But he's only been there for one year, and they have been doing what they do for a lot longer than that. Maybe if the Lions start winning with more regularity then the players will figure out that their own team suffers when they do that kind of crap.
                          I can imagine that "briefing" going something like this: "Coach, I did not go out on the field with any intentions of doing a cheap shot on anyone. But the opportunity arose and it was just too good to pass up!"

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                          • #28
                            Suh's history dicates this should be a suspension. Is it a big bad stomp which is the biggest argument I see people making against suspension? no. But the intent was there. once he realized where he was he decided to take a subtle shot at knocking or further damaging Rodgers. The NFL can not excuse that but they probably will let it go since he didn't go full Suh on his leg.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by hoosier View Post
                              Detroit would not stand a chance against Seattle. I don't think any of the second-round candidates can beat Seattle there, but if there is one that stands a chance it is Carolina. They are also the most likely to get overlooked.
                              Playing with house money is always a threat. Carolina has NOTHING to lose...and they will no doubt be playing like it.

                              Matt Stafford has NEVER...NEVER...beat a winning team on the road. What makes anyone think he's going into Seattle and getting a win?

                              Suh is a dirty player, but the NFL has never seemed to get out in front of extinguishing dirty play. He'll get yet another slap on the wrist and a polite "Please don't do that again".
                              It's such a GOOD feeling...13 TIME WORLD CHAMPIONS!!

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by woodbuck27 View Post
                                Maybe? ... this man is simply moronically unaware...or simply stupid.

                                I'll be surprized if the NFL punishes SUH. Something like 'not guilty due to some mental condition'.
                                I wouldn't be surprised. There is documented history: http://content.usatoday.com/communit...l/1#.VKF-m-ceA In November 2011, he went to NYC to meet with Goodell in person and then later that month stomped on EDS's arm. He may be getting more sneaky and less flagrant in his approach, but the intent is still there. Again, when a guy backs up and feels something impeding his steps, unless he is being pushed in a pile or engaged with a blocker (which he clearly wasn't), he knows there is a player on the ground. To take that second step backwards is no accident, even if he acted oblivious, which I think he did knowingly. Send a message and sit him.
                                "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." -Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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