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  • #46
    Originally posted by woodbuck27 View Post
    Wow !

    AJ Green is now a Cowboy. Was that trade legal?

    Jerral Wayne "Jerry" Jones Sr. will do anything to win. Even trade for a concussed player.

    fraudulent
    "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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    • #47
      Originally posted by pbmax View Post
      You are all wrong. It was defensive holding before the pass when he grabbed his jersey.
      Of the three transgressions, jersey grab, facemask tug and shoulder shove; The most significant and of longest duration looks to be the facemask, but all in all none seems overly significant. I don't mind the "no call" result at all.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Patler View Post
        Of the three transgressions, jersey grab, facemask tug and shoulder shove; The most significant and of longest duration looks to be the facemask, but all in all none seems overly significant. I don't mind the "no call" result at all.
        I agree on significance. But every infraction on this play was a point of emphasis this season. If you call it based on how significant the effect was, you have NBA style refereeing.
        Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Patler View Post
          Of the three transgressions, jersey grab, facemask tug and shoulder shove; The most significant and of longest duration looks to be the facemask, but all in all none seems overly significant. I don't mind the "no call" result at all.
          well, there are three penalties on the play, so I mind. Especially given the 'emphasis.' If they're gonna let 'em play, then be consistent. Have that be the rule. It's the inconsistency and the shifting sands of the rules that's the problem.
          "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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          • #50
            Originally posted by mraynrand View Post
            fine. offsetting. Still a totally blow call. You're just saying they *ucked it up even more! lol.
            I guess what I am really saying is if you review plays for penalties (especially PI) you are going to find penalties on both teams on every play.
            But Rodgers leads the league in frumpy expressions and negative body language on the sideline, which makes him, like Josh Allen, a unique double threat.

            -Tim Harmston

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            • #51
              Originally posted by mraynrand View Post
              after all the 'emphasis' placed on PI in the preseason, all the ricky tack calls made throughout the season, they PICK UP THE FLAG, when everyone who knows what PI is, knows that was PI. Shameful. But hey, at least everyone can get the 'great matchup' that they wanted in Green Bay. The refs are frauds. The NFL is fraudulent. Carry on.
              If you watch the replay closely you'll see the Lion WR grabbing Hitchens' facemask so even if he wanted to turn towards the ball he couldn't. The correct call should have been hands to the face and PI - offsetting penalties.

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              • #52
                Having trouble with video since computer update. Is the facemask before this sequence?

                Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by digitaldean View Post
                  Even if there was no PI on the play... Dez Bryant running onto the field without a helmet to protest should have been 15 yards for unsportsmanlike conduct...period. When i saw him storm on I thought Detroit would get 2 penalties worth of yardage.

                  Instead they get screwed out of one for sure first down. Pretty pathetically handled by Morelli. Another reason why these "all-star" crews are problematic.
                  I forgot about Dez running out there. What is with this clown? Did you see him screaming at teammates after the game as they walked back to their locker room?

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by ThunderDan View Post
                    I guess what I am really saying is if you review plays for penalties (especially PI) you are going to find penalties on both teams on every play.
                    I agree with this. Which is why the calls should ALWAYS be made. Judgement about how much the infraction affected the play is too much to ask and gets you crowd affected refereeing.

                    As dumb as the possession rules were in the end zone seemed initially, they don't get those wrong much anymore, do they? Uniform calls, made every time, fans and players adapt.
                    Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                    • #55
                      Tanier:

                      A shady Fox executive, played by Steve Buscemi, calls Roger Goodell. "We can't sell Lions-Seahawks and Panthers-Packers. It would be a ratings disaster. No national juice whatsoever. We need Cowboys-Packers, Ice Bowl, frozen tundra. That pass interference call cannot stand."

                      Goodell orders Vice President of Officiating Dean Blandino to contact Morelli and overturn the call. "It will take me at least an hour to come up with a good excuse!" Blandino complains.

                      Goodell calls the Cowboys owner's box. Jerry Jones hands the phone to New Jersey governor Chris Christie. Only quick decisions by Blandino and Morelli prevent every road within 15 miles of Blandino's home from being closed for the rest of January. "Just pick the flag up," Blandino orders Morelli. "Don't explain it!"

                      Everyone from Tony Dungy to Samuel L. Jackson complains about the call on Twitter.
                      First, the team with no quarterback lost. Then, the team with no running back lost. Then, the team with no receivers lost. Finally, the team famous for losing because of penalties and weird calls lost, in part, because of a weird-call non-penalty.
                      Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Fritz View Post
                        That was some keystone cops officiating, and does open the NFL up to calls of favoritism - not even the PI so much as the non-call on Lez Bryant.

                        But that was a Matt Stafford Special anyway, that throw. Hit the defender in the back! And the Lions had many opportunities to win that game in other parts, including having the NFL's top-ranked defense yet blowing a 13 point third quarter lead.

                        Can the Packer defense play well enough to slow down the Cowboy offense in a significant way? Can they stop the run?
                        Why do they break up officiating teams for the playoffs? Could this be causing some of the confusion we are seeing?

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by pbmax View Post
                          I agree on significance. But every infraction on this play was a point of emphasis this season. If you call it based on how significant the effect was, you have NBA style refereeing.
                          When was the point of emphasis? Preseason. I didn't see any ramifications from it at all during the season. How many times did we see grabs of Nelson's jersey during the year that were not called? How many times did we see Nelson give the DB a little nudge just before the ball arrived? That stuff happens all the time, and is usually called only when it is prolonged, blatant or when it impacts the play in an obvious manner.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by mraynrand View Post
                            well, there are three penalties on the play, so I mind. Especially given the 'emphasis.' If they're gonna let 'em play, then be consistent. Have that be the rule. It's the inconsistency and the shifting sands of the rules that's the problem.
                            But even if all 3 are called it is still offsetting, right?

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                            • #59
                              [QUOTE=pbmax;818710]Having trouble with video since computer update. Is the facemask before this sequence?


                              Yes, just before it. The linebacker's head bobs up and down twice because of it. You can see it clearly in one of the last angles shown in Cheesehead Craig's link.
                              Last edited by Patler; 01-05-2015, 09:48 AM.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Patler View Post
                                When was the point of emphasis? Preseason. I didn't see any ramifications from it at all during the season. How many times did we see grabs of Nelson's jersey during the year that were not called? How many times did we see Nelson give the DB a little nudge just before the ball arrived? That stuff happens all the time, and is usually called only when it is prolonged, blatant or when it impacts the play in an obvious manner.
                                Yes, they tried to make it an emphasis in the preseason but we didn't see it materialize once the regular season began.

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