Call that shall live in infamy

[pbmax]

When was the point of emphasis? Preseason. I didn't see any ramifications from it at all during the season. How many times did we see grabs of Nelson's jersey during the year that were not called? How many times did we see Nelson give the DB a little nudge just before the ball arrived? That stuff happens all the time, and is usually called only when it is prolonged, blatant or when it impacts the play in an obvious manner.

It carried through, though not uniformly, the majority of the season.

http://nflsavant.com/apps/penaltyCompare.php

DPI actually went down 33
D Holding went up 105
Illegal Use Hands went up 119
OPI went up 64
Illegal Contact went up 88

[woodbuck27]

If you watch the replay closely you'll see the Lion WR grabbing Hitchens' facemask so even if he wanted to turn towards the ball he couldn't. The correct call should have been hands to the face and PI - offsetting penalties.

Your probably correct in the minds of the officials at the time it all went down.

Unfortunately that and.... not knowing one another well enough being an ALL STAR Team of Officials and such.

and ...Juggling the red flag and microphone an announcement of the official explanation became well ... all too complicated.

[pbmax]

Here is the graph of the chart of penalties, 2013:2014

[woodbuck27]

Here's my best Woodbuck:

The GREEN BAY PACKERS special teams must play "the game of their life." The defense needs to "control Murray," but MUST be careful. That Dallas QB is "on a mission."

No no NO !

The GREEN BAY PACKERS ST's must play ' the game of their life '.

The Packer 'D' needs to 'control Demarco Murray' and not ignore the potent Dallas passing attack.

Why?

Dallas QB Tony Romo is on a mission. He likes it in Seattle.

[vince]

When was the point of emphasis? Preseason. I didn't see any ramifications from it at all during the season. How many times did we see grabs of Nelson's jersey during the year that were not called? How many times did we see Nelson give the DB a little nudge just before the ball arrived? That stuff happens all the time, and is usually called only when it is prolonged, blatant or when it impacts the play in an obvious manner.

This I think gets to the crux of the matter on this play. The push by Pettigrew was ticky-tack and would not normally be called. The PI by Hitchens was blatant and would be called damn near every time - except this one.

[woodbuck27]

Where are:

Offensive and defensive pass interference (PI) penalties?

I learned some weeks ago that offensive pass interference calls are way up this season.

[Pugger]

Where are:

Offensive and defensive pass interference (PI) penalties?

I learned some weeks ago that offensive pass interference calls are way up this season.

I noticed on a couple of the bars there is no description of what they are comparing.

[pbmax]

I noticed on a couple of the bars there is no description of what they are comparing.

Yeah, its an auto-generated image from an interactive graph and the labels didn't some through on some. Here is an edited version with missing labels replace by me.

[mraynrand]

But even if all 3 are called it is still offsetting, right?

yup

[mraynrand]

I guess what I am really saying is if you review plays for penalties (especially PI) you are going to find penalties on both teams on every play.

I'm not asking for a review. I'm asking for consistency. And, on the vast, vast majority of plays, a flag isn't thrown and picked up when there are three penalties. It's very poor officiating.

[mraynrand]

When was the point of emphasis? Preseason. I didn't see any ramifications from it at all during the season. How many times did we see grabs of Nelson's jersey during the year that were not called? How many times did we see Nelson give the DB a little nudge just before the ball arrived? That stuff happens all the time, and is usually called only when it is prolonged, blatant or when it impacts the play in an obvious manner.

I saw all kinds of small bumps and grabs called that didn't necessarily impact the play in an obvious manner. Also, I don't think " impact the play in an obvious manner" is part of the rule or part of the emphasis. And missed calls (poor officiating) should not be made an excuse for further blown calls.

Furthermore, the 'let 'em play' in the playoffs rule is unfair, since teams base strategies off regular season rule, and changes gives some teams unfair advantage (e.g. Seattle and NE) because they are better at mugging receivers; and some teams disadvantage (e.g. GB). (If you come back and say that teams are aware of different standards in the playoffs, I agree and know that teams like GB will alter strategy to accommodate - but that still doesn't mean it's good officiating).

[woodbuck27]

http://bleacherreport.com/tb/dfJrn?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nfl

What key players said about pass-interference penalty

By: Dave Birkett, Detroit Free Press 1:52 a.m. EST January 5, 2015

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

People will be talking about this play for a few days, either justifying to themselves the pickup was correct or complaining that they was robbed, whichever suits their needs. As far as I am concerned, it is over, Cowboys are coming to Green Bay. Let's just hope we don't get a similar call against the Packers on Sunday.

[Patler]

I saw all kinds of small bumps and grabs called that didn't necessarily impact the play in an obvious manner.

More than in previous years? I sure did not. Part way through the season there was an article that indicated PI was not up at all compared to previous years. If they were calling it tighter, you would expect some increase as players learned the new boundaries. (Edit - Perhaps there was when PB's chart is considered, indicating an actual increase.)

Also, I don't think " impact the play in an obvious manner" is part of the rule or part of the emphasis. And missed calls (poor officiating) should not be made an excuse for further blown calls.

Did I say it was part of the rule? No I did not, nor did I state it in isolation. BUT it or something similar to it, and the other qualifiers I mentioned, along with probably still aothers are part of the practical application of the rule. Just like every hold by the O-line is not penalized, nor every nudge by a WR against a DB, nor every contact by a DB beyond 5 yards. None of these are applied literally in every instance. All are applied with some level of discretion.

Furthermore, the 'let 'em play' in the playoffs rule is unfair, since teams base strategies off regular season rule, and changes gives some teams unfair advantage (e.g. Seattle and NE) because they are better at mugging receivers; and some teams disadvantage (e.g. GB). (If you come back and say that teams are aware of different standards in the playoffs, I agree and know that teams like GB will alter strategy to accommodate - but that still doesn't mean it's good officiating).

It's unfair to GB. Were you complaining about it being unfair in the playoffs following the 2010 season when Woodson was mugging receivers with virtual impunity?

[Harlan Huckleby]

You could argue that there should have been offsetting penalties. Or if they had not throw any flag at all, well, PI often gets called wrong. But to pick up the flag after it was called, and very reasonably so, that is crooked.