Best QB in football

[Zool]

I knew someone would eventually bring him up. Now make your argument.

It turns out, there's no formula to win the superbowl. You can be below average in 1 aspect and be fantastic in another. Or you can be top 10 in all phases. This has been an interesting thread to watch, though. Lots of Baltimore Ravens experts.

Brad Johnson

[woodbuck27]

All I know is I'd rather have our #12 over any other QB - including Flacco.

[hoosier]

It turns out, there's no formula to win the superbowl. You can be below average in 1 aspect and be fantastic in another. Or you can be top 10 in all phases. This has been an interesting thread to watch, though. Lots of Baltimore Ravens experts.

Brad Johnson

Your argument would be so much more compelling if the '82 Dolphins had somehow found a way to hold on against the Skins. David Woodley!

[Zool]

Your argument would be so much more compelling if the '82 Dolphins had somehow found a way to hold on against the Skins. David Woodley!

Terry Bradshaw was a mediocre QB by most measures, but he won 4. Actually he compares well to Flacco.

[mraynrand]

That is not what I said. Every player has a part in the team's success or failure. QBs are the face of most franchises so they get too much of the praise and too much of the blame.

This line of your is like the thread where you want to compare demographics and you got pissy because Patler asked if income level should be considered.

Well, right or wrong about the other thread, we're still at the point of what criteria can be used to determine the best QBs. What are the criteria?

[mraynrand]

It turns out, there's no formula to win the superbowl. You can be below average in 1 aspect and be fantastic in another. Or you can be top 10 in all phases. This has been an interesting thread to watch, though. Lots of Baltimore Ravens experts.

Brad Johnson

I agree with the bolded part, of course, because Pittsburgh lost one with the best defense and a QB who many consider one of the best, but nothing you wrote helps in determining how to rank the QBs.

And the snide remark about Ravens experts applies to you as well. So we need experts to resolve this, I guess. does that apply to every other question as well? Goodbye Packerrats then. LOL.


Warren Moon*








*I can 'cryptically' write QB names too

[mraynrand]

Terry Bradshaw was a mediocre QB by most measures, but he won 4. Actually he compares well to Flacco.

I disagree. Flacco is much more accurate than Bradshaw. Still, based on the leader argument, Bradshaw is every bit as good as Starr was.

[Zool]

I agree with the bolded part, of course, because Pittsburgh lost one with the best defense and a QB who many consider one of the best, but nothing you wrote helps in determining how to rank the QBs.

And the snide remark about Ravens experts applies to you as well. So we need experts to resolve this, I guess. does that apply to every other question as well? Goodbye Packerrats then. LOL.


Warren Moon*








*I can 'cryptically' write QB names too

You're always right Ayn. It must be tough living among the plebes.

Mark Rypien

[mraynrand]

Your argument would be so much more compelling if the '82 Dolphins had somehow found a way to hold on against the Skins. David Woodley!

what exactly is the argument? That Flacco is a mediocre QB because lousy or mediocre QBs have won Super Bowls with good defenses? Seems like a poor argument using one data point to make an argument. The pro Flacco argument is that he's won 10 and lost 4 in the playoffs including a Super Bowl and overall has shown to be a winning QB, defense or no (Ironically, when Flacco won the SB, the defense was ranked in the middle teens as opposed to top 5 in previous years).

I don't think Flacco is the best QB in the NFL, but I don't think it's a ridiculous thing for the coach to say. It would be ridiculous for AZ or Chi to say it.

[mraynrand]

You're always right Ayn. It must be tough living among the plebes.

Mark Rypien

I suffer fools poorly



Jim Kelly

[mraynrand]

Interesting points about Dilfer and Johnson - Neither Baltimore nor Tampa could have won the SB without them. Banks was not good enough, and Packer fans with a long enough memory will recall that the Packers were on their way to beating TB in 2002 with the Other Johnson (Rob) playing. So a great defense is not enough.

Brad Johnson wasn't all that bad a QB either, he was just getting pretty old and beat up by 2002. Still, I recall with amusement that he was involved in the sequence whereby Florida State essentially lost a shot at a national championship because Casey Weldon lost his shoe and Bobby Bowden wouldn't let Brad throw the ball on third down....

[vince]

Well, right or wrong about the other thread, we're still at the point of what criteria can be used to determine the best QBs. What are the criteria?

Really good start right here.
Individual Win Probability Added and Expected Points Added

[Zool]

I suffer fools poorly



Jim Kelly

[mraynrand]

Rohan will answer

[Striker]

Interesting points about Dilfer and Johnson - Neither Baltimore nor Tampa could have won the SB without them. Banks was not good enough, and Packer fans with a long enough memory will recall that the Packers were on their way to beating TB in 2002 with the Other Johnson (Rob) playing. So a great defense is not enough.

Brad Johnson wasn't all that bad a QB either, he was just getting pretty old and beat up by 2002. Still, I recall with amusement that he was involved in the sequence whereby Florida State essentially lost a shot at a national championship because Casey Weldon lost his shoe and Bobby Bowden wouldn't let Brad throw the ball on third down....

I wonder where Eli Manning fits into this conversation.

He has 2 rings and is 8-3 in the playoffs.