Dead Ball Foul

[pbmax]

So then what would it be? 15 yards from the spot of the foul? 15 yards from the LOS?

If its not dead ball (and I understand Harv's argument that is was the same as Lang's last week) then either you decline and take the sack for minus 7 and the down OR you take the penalty, the down doesn't move and instead of loss of 7 its loss of fifteen.

I gotta be honest, I would rather take the down away on a sack than accept the penalty and replay the down. But 15 PLUS the sack and down would be ideal.

[Harlan Huckleby]

it should be tacked on at the end of the play, if not you would have cheap shots all over the place on every big loss

right. And just from watching the play and comparing to how it is called routinely, you tack on 15.

I get pbmax's point that if it is a spearing that occurs before end of play, you get a choice. But spearing had no effect on play, Russell was down for at least a second. I'd like to see a replay to confirm my memory.

[King Friday]

I guess the whistle determines a dead ball...even though the ball should've been dead once Wilson was down by contact with Clay Matthews on top of him.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I guess the whistle determines a dead ball...even though the ball should've been dead once Wilson was down by contact with Clay Matthews on top of him.

probably so. but that just means we torch a different official's house tonight.

[Bossman641]

As we all suspected it appears the play was called incorrectly

Play: Seahawks offensive lineman J.R. Sweezy penalized for unnecessary roughness in live action
Referee: Tony Corrente
Analysis: With 8:02 remaining in the third quarter, Packers linebacker Clay Matthews sacked Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson for a 15-yard loss. Matthews landed on top of Wilson during the play, at which point Sweezy dove into Matthews' back to peel him off the pile.

Corrente's crew correctly penalized Sweezy, but the Packers declined to enforce. Why? Because Corrente did not rule it a "dead ball foul," which would have tacked the 15-yard penalty on top of the 15-yard sack and led to a second-and-45 situation. Instead, he apparently believed Sweezy hit Matthews before Wilson was down.

Viewed on replay, it's clear Wilson's knee had touched the ground before Sweezy hit Matthews. Rule 7, Section 2, Article 1 directs officials to call the ball dead and the down complete "when a runner is contacted by an opponent and touches the ground with any body part other than his hands or feet. The ball is dead the instant the runner touches the ground."

The Packers should not have been in position to choose between declining the penalty or giving the Seahawks another first-and-15. It's fair to note, of course, that the Packers could have made the call moot had they stopped the Seahawks on an ensuing third-and-19 two plays later.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/po...t-on-tom-brady

[ThunderDan]

As we all suspected it appears the play was called incorrectly



http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/po...t-on-tom-brady

Excellent, that just makes it better this morning.

[pbmax]

Its just impossible to get a well refereed game at this point. Just keep playing like your hair is on fire.

[gbgary]

i thought it was dead ball too and another 15. oh well.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Heard clip of Mike Pereira on Mike Heller radio show. Pereira said it was clearly a dead ball foul. He said if the play wasn't dead, the action would be no foul at all. So the call really made no sense.

That call was one of 20 plays that could have swung game. But that's how competitive games work.

[digitaldean]

Corrente's crew missed the offsides on the Sherman INT and also this one. They weren't the reason why we lost, but they were missed nonetheless.

[esoxx]

Heard clip of Mike Pereira on Mike Heller radio show. Pereira said it was clearly a dead ball foul. He said if the play wasn't dead, the action would be no foul at all. So the call really made no sense.

That call was one of 20 plays that could have swung game. But that's how competitive games work.

Unacceptable. That was a rudimentary call they butchered. I said in the game thread at the time I had never seen something like that and called it weird.

So where was stubby when the "penalty declined" announcement came? Why not waive the official over for an explanation? Maybe they give it a 2nd thought and properly enforce. But no, nothing.

That ref should be fined for such an easy miss and stubby needs to look in the mirror for what he could have done better too.

You think Belicheat, Carroll, or the like aren't going to question such an obvious miss?

Fail

[Joemailman]

Corrente's crew missed the offsides on the Sherman INT and also this one. They weren't the reason why we lost, but they were missed nonetheless.

The missed offsides was a pretty big deal. Rodgers saw it and thought he had a free play. Good chance he doesn't try that throw without the offsides.

[Bretsky]

Unacceptable. That was a rudimentary call they butchered. I said in the game thread at the time I had never seen something like that and called it weird.

So where was stubby when the "penalty declined" announcement came? Why not waive the official over for an explanation? Maybe they give it a 2nd thought and properly enforce. But no, nothing.

That ref should be fined for such an easy miss and stubby needs to look in the mirror for what he could have done better too.

You think Belicheat, Carroll, or the like aren't going to question such an obvious miss?

Fail

GOTTA AGREE HERE COMPLETELY

[mraynrand]

So where was stubby when the "penalty declined" announcement came?

If you don't know the answer to this question, then you shouldn't run Stubby over the coals for it. Perhaps he tried to question it and the refs blew him off. I too would like to know the answer, but until I do, I'll withhold judgement.

[mraynrand]

The missed offsides was a pretty big deal. Rodgers saw it and thought he had a free play. Good chance he doesn't try that throw without the offsides.

This was a topic of conversation throughout the year, especially at the Dallas tailgate: what happens if Rodgers sees a guy jumping early, but the refs miss it and he chucks up an INT? We were wondering if he'd get burned. And he did. In the most important game.