Dead Ball Foul

[Harlan Huckleby]

MM coulda shoulda made a scene. Clock was stopped. Probably Stubby didn't see play well, fault might be with eye in sky.

[pbmax]

Rodgers would have had a TD if he threw that ball to Adams on time, forget the missed call.

[esoxx]

If you don't know the answer to this question, then you shouldn't run Stubby over the coals for it. Perhaps he tried to question it and the refs blew him off. I too would like to know the answer, but until I do, I'll withhold judgement.

It was a rhetoical question. Any HC in that situation is going to be tuned in to what the call is and process it.

It was a glaring bad call regarding lack of enforcement of the penalty. He should have been demanding an explanation before just moving on to the next play.

I don't recognize your authority to not allow me to pass judgement.

[mraynrand]

It was a rhetoical question. Any HC in that situation is going to be tuned in to what the call is and process it.

It was a glaring bad call regarding lack of enforcement of the penalty. He should have been demanding an explanation before just moving on to the next play.

I don't recognize your authority to not allow me to pass judgement.

[woodbuck27]

Not all late hits are dead ball fouls. Matthews had just landed on Wilson when the O lineman came in.

I thought the yards should have been given to the packers after the penalty. The penalty resulted after that sack.

Why then was the penalty declined? Who declined it? Mike McCarthy.

Was this part of MM trying to keep the game 'FUN'.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2015011800/2014/POST20/packers@seahawks#menu=gameinfo%7CcontentId%3A0ap3000000460352&tab=analyze&analyze=playbyplay

3RD Quarter:

1-15-GB 44 (8:02) 3-R.Wilson sacked at SEA 41 for -15 yards (52-C.Matthews). Penalty on SEA-64-J.Sweezy, Unnecessary Roughness, declined.


See the Highlight.

I swear ... If I was just a casual fan the obvious might come up.

Was this game fixed !?

[ThunderDan]

I thought the yards should have been given to the packers after the penalty. The penalty resulted after that sack.

Why then was the penalty declined? Who declined it? Mike McCarthy.

Was this part of MM trying to keep the game 'FUN'.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2015011800/2014/POST20/packers@seahawks#menu=gameinfo%7CcontentId%3A0ap3000000460352&tab=analyze&analyze=playbyplay

3RD Quarter:

1-15-GB 44 (8:02) 3-R.Wilson sacked at SEA 41 for -15 yards (52-C.Matthews). Penalty on SEA-64-J.Sweezy, Unnecessary Roughness, declined.


See the Highlight.

I swear ... If I was just a casual fan the obvious might come up.

Was this game fixed !?

Come on Woody, really you are blaming MM on this. You have no idea what was said.

This is how I think it might have went down.

Ref: Coach do you want the penalty or the play?
MM: What??? The hit was after the play it was a dead ball foul.
Ref: The ref who threw the flag said it occurred during the play.
MM: No way, that should be tacked on to the end of the play.
Ref: So, do you want it to be 1st and 30 or 2nd and 30?
MM: We will decline the penalty and make it 2nd down but you know that was after the play was dead.

What else could MM do? Jump up and down and scream at the ref? Hold his breath?

If the ref says the roughness occurred during the play the correct call in that spot is to decline the penalty and take the 15 yard loss on the sack!

[Harlan Huckleby]

If the ref says the roughness occurred during the play the correct call in that spot is to decline the penalty and take the 15 yard loss on the sack!

I understand your giving Mike the benefit of the doubt, your scenario is plausible.

As Pierra pointed out, the hit was legal if it was during the play. It does seem like one ref must have gotten confused and blew it. The next play was run without any evident hoopla or controversy. I think if MM had raised more of a fuss - perhaps calling a timeout if necessary to do it - the refs would have gotten together and fixed a pretty clearly blown call. What we SHOULD have seen on TV was a red-faced McCarthy, jumping up and down and throwing his clipboard into the ground. That might even have gotten the attention of sleepy Troy & Joe.

The excuse I give Large Mike is that his support staff let him down. There was a lot of poor communication throughout game.

[SkinBasket]

There was a lot of poor communication throughout game.

Irony.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Stubby probably had his head in his play-sheet and never saw the play. Instead of talking to the ref, he was probably shouting the next play into Rodgers' helmet.

[ThunderDan]

This is from the rule book"

Article 8(f) states in pertinent part:

"If a player uses any part of his helmet (including the top/crown and forehead/”hairline” parts) or facemask to butt, spear, or ram an opponent violently or unnecessarily. Although such violent or unnecessary use of the helmet and facemask is impermissible against any opponent, game officials will give special attention in administering this rule to protecting those players who are in virtually defenseless postures . . ." (Emphasis added.)

The ref could have penalized the SEA player for spearing/unnecessary roughness. That penalty can occur during a play.

[ThunderDan]

Stubby probably had his head in his play-sheet and never saw the play. Instead of talking to the ref, he was probably shouting the next play into Rodgers' helmet.

Except we were on D at that point.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Except we were on D at that point.

Ooops!

[Harlan Huckleby]

The ref could have penalized the SEA player for spearing/unnecessary roughness. That penalty can occur during a play.

Right. I didn't see any spearing. Pierra didn't see any spearing.

But regardless of your judgement there, the hit occurred a second (or more) after Russell Wilson was down. There is no reasonable argument that it wasn't a dead ball foul.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Ooops!

Thank God for those adult diapers.

[ThunderDan]

Right. I didn't see any spearing. Pierra didn't see any spearing.

But regardless of your judgement there, the hit occurred a second (or more) after Russell Wilson was down. There is no reasonable argument that it wasn't a dead ball foul.

And I didn't say there was. It is a possibility that is all I am mentioning it for.

If the ref says it is during the play and the play clock is running already what can MM do? What does screaming at the ref do to help the team? The ref wasn't going to change his mind and I am sure had already given MM some sort of explanation of the penalty.