Play calling: Rodgers or MM?

[Harlan Huckleby]

Arod sorta blamed MM for loss of aggression.

Is Seattle at end of game too loud for Rodgers to effectively audible?

[vince]

Arod sorta blamed MM for loss of aggression.

Is Seattle at end of game too loud for Rodgers to effectively audible?

It's both but Rodgers has complete control at the line to do whatever he wants. Only in retrospect after witnessing the most unique series of failed efforts in history can you say they should have taken the risk of putting the ball in the air at the end.

[Joemailman]

Maybe in that situation he was told not to audible.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Maybe in that situation he was told not to audible.

huh
maybe so

[vince]

Maybe in that situation he was told not to audible.

I doubt he was told that. He's smart and experienced enough to know not to in that situation.

It is possible in football to make the right decision and still not have it work out.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Only in retrospect

People (me, Jason Wilde, 10 million others) were calling-out the massive anal clench in real time

[vince]

People (me, Jason Wilde, 10 million others) were calling-out the massive anal clench in real time

Media and fan emotion characterizations don't make it real.

Everyone watching could feel the Packers losing control of the game. The question was could they hang onto enough to hold them off. They needed to punch the Seahawks in the mouth and out-execute them to get to the game's end.

I think momentum is real in football and Seattle obviously had it at the end but you gotta fight to offset and and get it back. Seattle's pretty good at keeping it when they get it.

[Striker]

Honestly, the Falcons game should have taught the Packers to never let up. Yeah, it's not "good sportsmanship" or whatever to run up the score and just keep twisting the dagger, but any team is capable of coming back in a game.

[vince]

The Packers DIDN'T "LET UP". They fought their asses off and fucked up the game at the same time.

[Striker]

I'd say their "play not to lose" strategy was pretty much the definition of "letting up".

[vince]

I'd say their "play not to lose" strategy was pretty much the definition of "letting up".

THEY PLAYED TO WIN THE GAME and they let 'em off the hook through an unbelievable series of bad execution.

[mraynrand]

The Packers DIDN'T "LET UP". They fought their asses off and fucked up the game at the same time.

I have to disagree. It looked like a kneel down mentality after the final INT. Like PB mentioned, they went to a prevent mode with two high safeties and then got gashed in the running game. Even if they were physically not 'letting up' the switch into a more prevent mode I think affected them beyond pure scheme. Look at HHCD pursuit on Lynch's late runs and receptions for example.

[vince]

I have to disagree. It looked like a kneel down mentality after the final INT. Like PB mentioned, they went to a prevent mode with two high safeties and then got gashed in the running game. Even if they were physically not 'letting up' the switch into a more prevent mode I think affected them beyond pure scheme. Look at HHCD pursuit on Lynch's late runs and receptions for example.

If that's true, you're saying that HHCD's lack of pursuit and unbelievable cement shoes/brainfart on the 2-point coversion is the coaches' fault?
I can't agree with that. Make the fucking play and win the game.

[pbmax]

Rodgers does have very free reign to audible, but if its a run call and there is no pass call, he can check the run to the other side or move blocking around but that would be it. McCarthy can tell him not to pass and that looks like exactly what was done.

Not to mention that one of the series there were no wide receivers out wide. It was 2 TEs and a FB. There aren't many pass options in that formation.

[mraynrand]

If that's true, you're saying that HHCD's lack of pursuit and unbelievable brainfart on the 2-point coversion is the coaches' fault?
I can't agree with that. Make the fucking play and win the game.

Not the coach's fault directly or absolutely. But if they switch to a prevent mode, I think it's inevitable that the players respond to that mentality. It was too early. Shoulda stayed aggressive. But coaches worry about desperate teams in four down territory and adjust to that too. So it's not a simple equation.

Still on the 2 point conversion, there was shell shock there, the QB was well defensed and HHCD just made a physical error (misjudged the ball) and was unlucky - undoubtably the wind carried that thing.