Ty Montgomery, 2015 Third Round Pick

[denverYooper]

In 2014 the Packers were 31st in kickoff returns, averaging 19.1. They were absolutely horrible. If Montgomery does nothing but give them a better than average lick return option, he will be a solid contributor. Reports seem to agree that he is a better than average prospect in kick returns.

This. The Packers have been consistently poor on their starting field position differential.

[denverYooper]

National Football Post's scouting report is like they were watching a different player than everyone else.



Now that sounds like a Ted WR. Exploading out of cuts, running good routes, soft hands, and YAC.

Even if he sucks at everything but being a returner, this is a nice pick. Too long our definition of a good returner has been "guy who won't put the ball on the ground and lose you the game."

This writeup makes it sound like he'll be Cobb's insurance policy in addition to becoming a KR... the guy they can potentially run the same offense with if Cobb gets hurt. It's amazing how good guys can look with AR throwing them the ball, too .

[Maxie the Taxi]

As usual, the more you watch film of this guy the better you feel about him. In fact, I think he's a REALLY good pick. He'll definitely help the return game (PR and KR) and he's a Packer-type of receiver, very physical after the catch and plays fast.

Honestly, I didn't pay attention to Montgomery pre-draft because of scouting reports saying he had bad hands. Now, watching his film, I can say that rap might be due to the fact that he reaches and makes contact with more passes than the average receiver. Many of his "drops" were in highly contested situations as well.

This guy will surprise a lot of fans and probably become a fan favorite by the time the season is halfway through.

[Carolina_Packer]

too bad this guy has shity hands and concentration issues

I'm sorry, could you repeat that?

[pbmax]

National Football Post's scouting report is like they were watching a different player than everyone else.



Now that sounds like a Ted WR. Exploading out of cuts, running good routes, soft hands, and YAC.

Even if he sucks at everything but being a returner, this is a nice pick. Too long our definition of a good returner has been "guy who won't put the ball on the ground and lose you the game."

Well he is definitely not 6' 2", but its good to read he plays like he might be.

Packers scout Seale thought the QB and the offense really changed the kid's game in 14.

This board will forever be tilted toward thinking he has stone for hands because of Maxie's scouting report, but 5 drops per year is not egregious.

I hope vince can find some cutups of him in games, not just the highlight reel I found.

[Carolina_Packer]

Someone put up his measurables earlier in the thread. One of the things I read about him is that he is built like a running back. They hybrid theme of the Packers draft continues. It made me think of another guy who they likely hoped would be a good WR, but is ultimately going to be known for returns...Percy Harvin. This guy is taller and outweighs Harvin by about 18 lbs. Here is what I could compare. Apparently Harvin didn't do the 3 cone or 20 yard short shuttle at the combine. They said he did at his pro day, but I haven't found it.

Ty Montgomery
6-0/221 (4.55 forty)
31-inch arm length
9-inch hands
10 1/8-reps
40.5-inch vertical jump
121-inch broad jump
6.97 3 cone drill
4.21 20 yard shuttle

Percy Harvin
5-11/192 (4.39 forty)
31 ⅝-inch arm length
9 ⅜ -inch hands
19 reps
37 ½ -inch vertical jump
121-inch broad jump

Harvin is shorter and lighter and faster
Montgomery jumps higher, but is not as strong

Montgomery has to have a better head on his shoulders. Bench press deficiency and two tenths of a second difference in 40 times aside, if this kid can make people miss and is magic with the ball in his hands and can change field position in a hurry, I'm for him. Besides, during a return, when have they ever stopped the play to have a bench press contents?

The Packers have been pedestrian to dog doo on returns the last few years. I know he gets dinged for his WR hands, but maybe, just maybe coaching can help him with that, if he's coachable.

[pbmax]

Mike Tanier, Bleacher Report*: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...-cards/page/64

Strengths: Size, character, intelligence, after-catch capability

Weaknesses: Quickness-athleticism, lacks a true position

There’s a bare minimum of quickness and fluidity needed to play wide receiver in the NFL, and Montgomery straddles it. You can be well-built, bright, motivated and have a serviceable 40-yard-dash time, but if you don’t have the hips and change-of-direction capability, you ain’t gonna be open enough.

Stanford moved Montgomery from receiver to running back to Wildcat to get the ball in his hands, tossing him lots of screens when he was split wide. He’s a strong runner with the ball in his hands, but on routes he had a hard time separating from quality cornerbacks.

Montgomery also returns kicks; he’s not wiggly, but he catches the ball and moves forward. He may have a Josh Cribbs career as a return man and special teams ace who also plays some fourth receiver, though, Cribbs was far more elusive in his prime. At worst, Montgomery will be able to hang around roster bottoms and practice squads as the guy teams stash away when they need a capable multirole injury replacement.

The Packers probably see Montgomery as a special teamer and No. 4 receiver who can exploit some easy mismatches; with his bulk and willingness to throw his body around, Montgomery can almost be a surrogate quasi-tight end in some packages.

Grade: B-

I don't know about TE, but I do see him in the role Cobb was playing in the backfield last year.

[vince]

I haven't had a chance to watch these yet, but just watching a little, it looks like he doesn't usually go down easily. Big receiver who can be tough to slow down when he gets a head of steam going.

[vince]

[Carolina_Packer]

Ty Montgomery from mockdraftable.com

Height: 6' 0"
Weight: 221
Arm Length: 31"
Hand Size: 10⅛"
10 Yard Dash: 1.59
40 Yard Dash: 4.55
Vertical Jump: 40½"
Broad Jump: 121"
3 Cone Drill: 6.97
20 Yard Shuttle: 4.21
60 Yard Shuttle: 11.57
Agility Score: 11.18

This is what PB posted earlier in the thread for measurables...

6-0/221 (4.55 forty)
31-inch arm length
9-inch hands
10 1/8-reps
40.5-inch vertical jump
121-inch broad jump
6.97 3 cone drill
4.21 20 yard shuttle

Could the 10 1/8 be for hand size? The info from mockdraftable (a cool site I hadn't seen before) doesn't list his bench press reps, so that comparison to Harvins reps was erroneous.

[pbmax]

Thanks vince. I just PM'd you about those links.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Well he is definitely not 6' 2", but its good to read he plays like he might be.

Packers scout Seale thought the QB and the offense really changed the kid's game in 14.

This board will forever be tilted toward thinking he has stone for hands because of Maxie's scouting report, but 5 drops per year is not egregious.

I hope vince can find some cutups of him in games, not just the highlight reel I found.

Hey, pb, don't lay that one on me. Red posted this about Montgomery before I made the post in question:

can't even think outside the box and get a big WR

nooooooooooooooo

we draft a 5'11 wr with 4.55 speed with shitty hands

Now we all know that Red carries way more credibility and influence on this board than I do. So get your admonishments corrected, buddy. My reputation might never recover.

[red]

i read where he dropped 10 pounds for his pro day and ran a 4.39

i sure as hell don't see that kind of speed in the clips

Montgomery had the flashiest Pro Day, clocking in at 4.38 seconds in the 40-yard dash at 5-foot-11 (and 3/4") and 211 pounds according to Stanford's official athletic website.

[Packgator]

Phil Savage, Executive Director of Reese's Senior Bowl: http://www.seniorbowl.com/prospect-p...view.php?p=675

Ty will likely be a first round pick because of his combination value as a receiver and return man, and with that said, should be able to get on the field as a rookie and help an NFL team right away. He is an ideal flanker that can knock the top off of the defense and also run with the football when running underneath the coverage. With his frame, football demeanor and toughness, expect him to have a long, productive pro career.



The above was said just before (or early in) the 2014 season.

[red]

Well he is definitely not 6' 2", but its good to read he plays like he might be.

Packers scout Seale thought the QB and the offense really changed the kid's game in 14.

This board will forever be tilted toward thinking he has stone for hands because of Maxie's scouting report, but 5 drops per year is not egregious.

I hope vince can find some cutups of him in games, not just the highlight reel I found.

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WEAKNESSES: Like a lot of players with a rocked-up build, doesn't possess ideal lateral agility and flexibility, making him a bit straight-linish. Average explosion out of his breaks, perhaps one of the reasons why most of his damage came on vertical or quick screens. Allows too many passes to get to his pads, resulting in some ugly drops in which the ball simply goes right through his fingers. Accelerates fluidly and impressively for a man of his build but there is some question as to his pure speed. Could be seen as a bit of a one-trick pony whose greatest value in the NFL could be as a fourth receiver and kick returner.

--Rob Rang

Extremely suspect hands with 16 drops and three fumbles over his last three seasons. Allows throws to get on top of him. Hands lack supple qualities and his catch radius is smaller than desired. His confidence has been questioned by scouting community.

he had 172 career catches and 16 drops. so about for every 10 catches he has a drop. i don't know how that compares with other guys, but it seems a bit high to me