Joemailman's Fearless Stab At The 53 Man Roster - Post Family Night Version

[Harlan Huckleby]

I think Ripkowski doesn't make the team, but add White as a 6th receiver.

Well, there's a ballsy prediction! Giant, old man balls. TT does not cut draft picks in first camp, normally.

Was listening to Silverstein on local radio, he thought Kuhn had a real chance of getting cut. Beat writers from packernews think both FBs will stick.

I think a factor that pushes for 2 FBs is the lack of talent at backup TE. There are mostly developmental guys there. Perillo may be ready to play, but he doesn't look like much.

I think Kuhn & Flynn had Donald Driver Career Achievement Award contracts in 2014.

[hoosier]

TEs are awful. Kuhn and Rip both make the final cut, but Kuhn is the first to go if they need to create space.

[sharpe1027]

What Bobblehead suggests makes sense, because:

- A suspended FA has to be signed by someone before his suspension starts.
- IR Designated to Return requires the player be on the final 53, then moved to IR (unless the rule has been changed)

1) A FA can be signed before making the 53.
2) Can't you do that at the exact same time you submit the final 53? In other words, you really submit 54, with the IR designated at the same time.

I always understood the rules as having slots that these players get put, not that you have to first put them on the active 53 list, and then move them. It just doesn't make sense that you have to cut a guy only to have to try to sign him a millisecond later -- after you move another guy from the active 53 to suspension exemption.

[Patler]

1) A FA can be signed before making the 53.
2) Can't you do that at the exact same time you submit the final 53? In other words, you really submit 54, with the IR designated at the same time.

I always understood the rules as having slots that these players get put, not that you have to first put them on the active 53 list, and then move them. It just doesn't make sense that you have to cut a guy only to have to try to sign him a millisecond later -- after you move another guy from the active 53 to suspension exemption.

I don't understand what you mean in #1. After the season starts, a FA who is facing a suspension, like Bush, will have to be signed by someone before the suspension begins. Thus, he will be signed to their 53 man roster, go on suspension, and then be replaced.

At the final cutdown to 53, I don't think you can sign a suspended player's replacement a millisecond later if the replacement player was just cut and is subject to waivers. If the replacement player is a vested veteran, you can, if the player is willing.

For IR designated to return, the league explained that as of the final cutdown, each team can control only 53 players who will be eligible to play in the upcoming year. Everyone else is either subject to a waiver claim by other teams, or is free to sign with any team of their choice. For that reason, an injured player at the start of the year has to first be included in the 53 man roster, then moved to IR designated to return. Maybe it is different with suspended players at the start of the season, but logic would say it should follow the same course.

[Harlan Huckleby]

TEs are awful. Kuhn and Rip both make the final cut, but Kuhn is the first to go if they need to create space.

Isn't the problem with that scenario that Kuhn is a vested veteran? They have to give him a free skybox and parking space or something if they cut him later?

I doubt Packers would try the cut-and-resign game with Kuhn, I don't remember any longterm Packers getting put on that carousel. I imagine market for FBs is limited, Packers might get away with shinanigans if they wanted.

[sharpe1027]

I don't understand what you mean in #1. After the season starts, a FA who is facing a suspension, like Bush, will have to be signed by someone before the suspension begins. Thus, he will be signed to their 53 man roster, go on suspension, and then be replaced.

At the final cutdown to 53, I don't think you can sign a suspended player's replacement a millisecond later if the replacement player was just cut and is subject to waivers. If the replacement player is a vested veteran, you can, if the player is willing.

For IR designated to return, the league explained that as of the final cutdown, each team can control only 53 players who will be eligible to play in the upcoming year. Everyone else is either subject to a waiver claim by other teams, or is free to sign with any team of their choice. For that reason, an injured player at the start of the year has to first be included in the 53 man roster, then moved to IR designated to return. Maybe it is different with suspended players at the start of the season, but logic would say it should follow the same course.

Sorry, I was not very clear. For number 1, I was talking about before the season starts, that's what I meant about "before making the 53." The reason I said that was because rules that apply during the year, do not necessarily show what happens during the cut down period. In this particular example, you are able to sign more than 53 players right now, which you can't do during the season. When they get to cut down, I am not sure that they must cut players to keep suspended players -- and then resign a player to take the place of the suspended player. Maybe they do, but not necessarily.

IR designated to return is similar to suspension, but IR designated to return is at the team's discretion. Suspension is not quite the same animal, the only discretion is whether or not to cut the player.

[smuggler]

Seems pretty clear that Gunter is making this team. He's getting first-team reps and performing respectably. Considering Shields, Hayward, Rollins, and Randall are all near locks as well, and throw in the fact that Hyde can play in the slot if needed, we may not have a spot for any of the other CB hopefuls.

[Guiness]

Seems pretty clear that Gunter is making this team. He's getting first-team reps and performing respectably. Considering Shields, Hayward, Rollins, and Randall are all near locks as well, and throw in the fact that Hyde can play in the slot if needed, we may not have a spot for any of the other CB hopefuls.

Or put Hayward on the watch list, unless he gets, and stays, healthy. Dunno, just a feeling...

[smuggler]

Just my opinion - never seen Hayward play poorly in a real game, but he has looked sluggish in practice. I suspect there is an emphasis on health with him vs practice performance. He's as likely to make the team as anyone else other than Shields. Now, does he get a 2nd contract? On that I'm not as certain...

[hoosier]

Isn't the problem with that scenario that Kuhn is a vested veteran? They have to give him a free skybox and parking space or something if they cut him later?

I doubt Packers would try the cut-and-resign game with Kuhn, I don't remember any longterm Packers getting put on that carousel. I imagine market for FBs is limited, Packers might get away with shinanigans if they wanted.

Yes, I forgot about the contract becoming guaranteed thing, so Kuhn stays for the year as ARod's personal protector.

[Patler]

Isn't the problem with that scenario that Kuhn is a vested veteran? They have to give him a free skybox and parking space or something if they cut him later?

I doubt Packers would try the cut-and-resign game with Kuhn, I don't remember any longterm Packers getting put on that carousel. I imagine market for FBs is limited, Packers might get away with shinanigans if they wanted.

Kuhn signed a veteran minimum contract. I don't think his contract will influence the Packers decisions now or during the season.

[smuggler]

Kuhn's contract actually counts less than a rookie against the salary cap, I believe. Veteran contracts get some kind of whacky rebate. If they're less than $700k then only count like $200k against the cap.

[Patler]

Kuhn's contract actually counts less than a rookie against the salary cap, I believe. Veteran contracts get some kind of whacky rebate. If they're less than $700k then only count like $200k against the cap.

Ya, but there are limits on bonuses and things like that. I think the max is $25K for workouts, or something like that. The Packers have exceeded the bonus with several vets in recent years, so didn't qualify for the vet minimum incentive. I'm not sure about Kuhn.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I didn't suspect money would have much to do with Kuhn decision. My only thought on that was that the team would be unlikely to cut a well-respected, longtime packer so they could sign him off street later with no commitment. Bad karma. Probably Thompson has done this with some journeyman vets, but I can't really remember specific examples.

[smuggler]

With a guy of Kuhn's age and status, if they were going to cut him, they'd have already done it... He's staying for one more year.