Bostickler Trophy

[pbmax]

His finger is right there. But hard to tell from behind at that angle. But the ball immediately changes its rotation as it elevates over the line. I thought he hit it high, but hard to tell without a comparison.

Its not even obvious that the ball is rotating weird when its below helmet level. After the kick it rotates normally in backspin. But immediately when it hits open air it swerves and turns over.

Maybe a fingernail imparts a spin around the horizontal plane?

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http://www.packers.com/news-and-even...c-a9b3a2d004e2

Mastay's hold was fine. Crosby: "I flat missed it. I think I caught a little turf behind the ball....with how the ball came off, I don’t know, my plant must not have been in the right spot."

except his plant looked fine, and he definitely didn't hit the ground

[Maxie the Taxi]

http://www.packers.com/news-and-even...c-a9b3a2d004e2

Mastay's hold was fine. Crosby: "I flat missed it. I think I caught a little turf behind the ball....with how the ball came off, I don’t know, my plant must not have been in the right spot."

I watched the video again. Crosby definitely didn't catch any turf. His foot was well off the ground. The ball hitting Masthay's trailing fingers is more likely. But no definitive evidence on that.

[George Cumby]

Crosby is taking one for his team-mate. Perhaps Masthay has photos of Crosby and Olivia Munn "hanging out".

[mraynrand]

The ball was hit cleanly. It was just hit high - so no rotation and it knuckled. That's it. There was no turf monster, no extra touch by Masthay. Also, the ball was on target. simply too high.

That game felt like the game after Payton died. The season is starting to feel like 2008.

[pbmax]

The laces of the ball are facing away from about the mid-point between Crosby and Masthay. They stay that way until the ball clears to about 6 feet in the air. You get to see one rotation after the kick and the laces are NOT rotating around the ball.

I don't see how he could affect it if its still tumbling normally end over end and not spinning.

He would have to had touched on end of the ball and affected the tumble. But the ball doesn't show evidence of that.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Maybe a fingernail imparts a spin around the horizontal plane?

The butterfinger effect! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect

[Harlan Huckleby]

Crosby is taking one for his team-mate. Perhaps Masthay has photos of Crosby and Olivia Munn "hanging out".

If Masthay had a bad spot or his hand hit the ball he would obviously know it for certain. Do you really think he would remain silent while everyone blamed the kicker for such a putrid result? Of course not.

The theory that Masthay ruined the kick from his position on the grassy knoll comes from unhinged individuals who are pissed at the punter for his shitty performance. No need to name names, we'll call them red, white and blue.

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lol

hey

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not just a few of us nuts that think masthay might have blocked it

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/11/16/crosby-takes-blame-but-field-goal-may-have-hit-holders-hand/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs

[Joemailman]

Looking at that replay, I wonder if the ball grazed Masthay's facemask. That's something Masthay wouldn't necessarily have felt.

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Looking at that replay, I wonder if the ball grazed Masthay's facemask. That's something Masthay wouldn't necessarily have felt.

tough to hit the facemask with it being right above the ball when it was kicked and all

looking at other kick replays it looks like masthay doesn't have a set way for removing his right hand from the ball. sometimes he pulls it straight up, sometimes he pulls it straight back. no matter how he pulls it away, the thing is always long gone before the ball is kicked

in this case, from the one angle we get, it looks like he pulled it away in a bit of a sweeping motion in the same direction that the ball was heading

i wish we had another angle to take a look, but what we can see for sure is that the hand is a lot closer then it usually is to the ball, crosby didn't hit the ground before the ball or slip like he said, and it didn't look like he struck it that poorly to make it look like it was hit by a 20 gauge once it got 6 or 7 feet in the air

to my eye, something effected the ball after it was kicked. i just don't see how a ball hit cleanly and below the midsection has down top spin to make it knuckle down, and side spin to make it slice so bad. and since we can clearly see that no lion hit it. that leaves me with two conclusions

1. our shitty punted blocked it and his buddy knows he's already in deep shit so he's taking the fall on this

2. the ball was somehow damaged like an old range golf ball with a dead core and a cut cover

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masthay says he didn't do it

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/11/16/packers-holder-says-ball-did-not-graze-his-hand-on-missed-field-goal/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs

says there was a depression in the ground that caused crosbys toe to hit a raised bump and send the foot off course

[Joemailman]

Zook says his toe hit the ground which caused the foot to bounce up and he hit the ball high. This might play into what Masthay was saying about there being a depression in the ground. If the ball was placed in the depression, then the ground behind the ball might have been higher.

Doesn't either the holder or the kicker usually check the spot where the ball is to be placed before the kick?

[Maxie the Taxi]

Crosby's foot never hit the ground. You can see that clearly from the replay. And if the ball had grazed off of Masthay's hand, he would have felt it for sure.