Week 6 Other Games

[Joemailman]

Week 6 Other Games Thread turns into a discussion of Gettysburg?

It must be the Bye Week.

[mraynrand]

Week 6 Other Games Thread turns into a discussion of Gettysburg?

It must be the Bye Week.

good stuff. It's all of a kind - faking left and running right. Reinforcing your weak flank. Taking initiative like Strong Vincent at Little Round Top with Chamberlin directing a Bayonet charge like Clay Matthews on an inside pass rush!

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If you were seeing them in 1989 they probably turned Entwistle down to the point where you couldn't appreciate him and they were throwing Kenney Jones or worse on stage on drums.

Townsend was never a great guitarist and Daltrey's voice was shot from going hard on 'Won't Get Fooled Again' for years.

Still, they should have been better than the Stones, and for that I apologize.

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My dad saw them in Philly in 1972ish. He described it as the best show he'd ever seen.

He gave Yes three shots and said they were flat out bad the first two times and walked out of the third concert because they were hideous.

I guess Yes just cannot play their own shit. A cover band would probably be an improvement, given the right production team.

The only old-timey bands I've ever seen live are Huey Lewis and the News and the Moody Blues. Huey Lewis mostly because my girlfriend at the time was big into them, but they put on a good show. The Moody Blues did not have an accompanying orchestra on tour with them (kind of their original concept) and I was skeptical. They were fucking amazing. The bassist (John Lodge) butchered one song because he had a drawstring from his shirt fall right into his strum hand like three times during one song. Swapped shirts after the song and they were effectively flawless the rest of the way.

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If you were seeing them in 1989 they probably turned Entwistle down to the point where you couldn't appreciate him and they were throwing Kenney Jones or worse on stage on drums.

Townsend was never a great guitarist and Daltrey's voice was shot from going hard on 'Won't Get Fooled Again' for years.

Still, they should have been better than the Stones, and for that I apologize.

They had Townsend's drummer from his solo efforts (dude in the Let My Love Open The Door video) who was OK, better than Jones, but nothing too special. They also had the bald guy percussionist who has played live for every English rock act ever. Kinda like Paul Schaffer but with bongos. Supposedly the best Moon fill-in is Zak Starkey (Ringo's son) but I have seen some of that on TV and its still just meh. No one is Moon. Many people fawn over John Bonham, but Moon cannot be duplicated. Even his drum setup was nuts.

But the main problem was that Pete had just been diagnosed with tinnitus and didn't play much electric guitar, mostly acoustic and they had some red haired dude playing the electric solos until the encores. It just never sounded right. And the weird thing is it SHOULD have sounded better. As you say, Pete isn't the best electric solo artist but he is fantastic rhythm guitarist and he should be a monster playing the acoustic parts (something that is very prevalent in their song catalog). But it never meshed.

The Stones were a revelation as a mostly sober Richards and Wood killed it. I think they still had Wyman on bass and he and Watts were great. So the music was exactly what you wanted to hear, you could forgive Jagger's limitations and alterations to the harmonies.

They also brought back Street Fighting Man/Gimme Shelter/Sympathy for the Devil for the first time since Altamont (no one could agree on which one they had refused to play - could all be urban legend). They also had Lisa Fischer filling for Merry Clayton on Gimme Shelter and it was breathtakingly good.

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Pretty hard to be satisfied with the Who after they jumped the shark, I imagine. They were centered on Moon and Entwistle for most of their best stuff. Moon was long dead in 1989 and Entwistle turned down in those years. Maybe that was from the tinnitus...

[Zool]

They had Townsend's drummer from his solo efforts (dude in the Let My Love Open The Door video) who was OK, better than Jones, but nothing too special. They also had the bald guy percussionist who has played live for every English rock act ever. Kinda like Paul Schaffer but with bongos. Supposedly the best Moon fill-in is Zak Starkey (Ringo's son) but I have seen some of that on TV and its still just meh. No one is Moon. Many people fawn over John Bonham, but Moon cannot be duplicated. Even his drum setup was nuts.

But the main problem was that Pete had just been diagnosed with tinnitus and didn't play much electric guitar, mostly acoustic and they had some red haired dude playing the electric solos until the encores. It just never sounded right. And the weird thing is it SHOULD have sounded better. As you say, Pete isn't the best electric solo artist but he is fantastic rhythm guitarist and he should be a monster playing the acoustic parts (something that is very prevalent in their song catalog). But it never meshed.

The Stones were a revelation as a mostly sober Richards and Wood killed it. I think they still had Wyman on bass and he and Watts were great. So the music was exactly what you wanted to hear, you could forgive Jagger's limitations and alterations to the harmonies.

They also brought back Street Fighting Man/Gimme Shelter/Sympathy for the Devil for the first time since Altamont (no one could agree on which one they had refused to play - could all be urban legend). They also had Lisa Fischer filling for Merry Clayton on Gimme Shelter and it was breathtakingly good.

Bonham and Moon are just totally different styles. There was very little subtly in Bonham but he was sheer power on drums. He created the drum style of the 80s and 90s. Moon was very much a jazz drummer will all sorts of intricacy and subtly. So smooth and natural. Like Roger Clemens and Greg Maddux I suppose. Hard to compare because they are so different. Both are awesome IMO.

[mraynrand]

Of course, then there was the best drummer of all:

[mraynrand]

Or:



"He died in a bizarre gardening accident that authorities said 'best left unsolved.'"

[Pugger]

Of course, then there was the best drummer of all:

You are going to have to identify this man for me.

[Guiness]

They had Townsend's drummer from his solo efforts
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That sums it up pretty well to be sure. I saw the Stones in 1989 at the Skydome (as it was called then) and it was a pretty amazing set. Had to camp out all night for the tickets since this was before the wristband policies.

I remember a pretty good part of the set, they mixed in a fair amount of their old stuff. Opened with Start Me Up, closed with Satisfaction and Jumping Jack Flash for the encore. They also played Ruby Tuesday and Painted Black. For some reason I also remember Harlem Shuffle. Crowd had a perverse desire to hear, and was calling for, a single they'd probably like to forget, Emotional Rescue, but it wasn't to be.

It was a great concert, and I remember thinking it was probably pretty much the last chance to see them live. Never would've guess Richards and Jagger would still be alive, forget performing 20 years later!

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Bonham and Moon are just totally different styles. There was very little subtly in Bonham but he was sheer power on drums. He created the drum style of the 80s and 90s. Moon was very much a jazz drummer will all sorts of intricacy and subtly. So smooth and natural. Like Roger Clemens and Greg Maddux I suppose. Hard to compare because they are so different. Both are awesome IMO.

I agree completely on Bonham. I just think we have heard more people sound like him than Moon. Charlie Watts is a true jazz drummer in a rock band. Moon is a weird amalgamation.

[Rastak]

I agree completely on Bonham. I just think we have heard more people sound like him than Moon. Charlie Watts is a true jazz drummer in a rock band. Moon is a weird amalgamation.

Since the thread has completely morphed, my 2 cents. John Henry Bonham was amazing with his shear power and emotion. Chester Thompson was also an extremely powerful drummer. Also to be mentioned Levon Helm, more for his singing but also his drumming and the under rated Stewart Copeland of the Police.

[Guiness]

Neil Peart! Neil Peart! Neil Peart!

Ok, that's the homer in me, because to tell the truth I've never been a big Rush/Peart fan. He did list Bonham and Moon as his inspirations though.

[mraynrand]

Neil Peart! Neil Peart! Neil Peart!

Ok, that's the homer in me, because to tell the truth I've never been a big Rush/Peart fan. He did list Bonham and Moon as his inspirations though.

I totally get the aversion to RUSH, the band, especially Geddy Lee's way too tight shorts screechy voice, but it is something else to listen to the percussion on those albums. Simply amazing. I recommend:

First five minutes are all instrumental.