Official Packers vs. Chargers Game Day Thread

[pbmax]

You think the refs take 10 or 20 seconds to spot the ball? No. Watch the game, the play clock and game clock start-up very quickly on out-of-bounds plays (except near end of halves.)

You said the player was dumb for going out of bounds because you didn't understand the rule, that was obvious because you disputed the 5-minute rule. I'll leave you to pretend otherwise.

I did not know it was a 5 minute cut off for the clock to restart on the ref's signal. But you still get to bleed clock by staying in bounds, same as its been for years. If he stays in bounds, there is less time for Chargers and Rivers. No reason to go out of bounds, still a less than optimal play.

[Harlan Huckleby]

If the issue was only the clock, then you would stay inbounds when team is ahead, always. But with > 5 minutes left, field position still matters. The reason somebody goes out of bounds is because the sideline is the best opportunity to gain yards. You don't want to take away aggression until late. After the 5 minute mark, the rules change and it is reasonable to call somebody dumb for running out of bounds with team ahead. Seven minutes to go? Don't sweat it! You don't call a leading QB dumb for not milking every last second of playclock with 7 minutes to go. A few seconds aren't critical yet; there are other considerations.

[Harlan Huckleby]

a team trying to hurry

The team hurrying, or length of play are irrelevant. The refs have same task to deal with out-of-bounds. The refs aren't waiting on teams to start play clock.

[channtheman]

You think the refs take 10 or 20 seconds to spot the ball? No. Watch the game, the play clock and game clock start-up very quickly on out-of-bounds plays (except near end of halves.)

You said the player was dumb for going out of bounds because you didn't understand the rule, that was obvious because you disputed the 5-minute rule. I'll leave you to pretend otherwise.

I knew the clock would restart after the refs placed the ball, but I paid careful attention to see how much time would actually run off since Dick Rod went out of bounds. There was a huge delay in restarting the game clock (almost as if the clock operator didn't know to restart the clock). We only ran off about 15 seconds of clock from the end of that play to the start of the next one. We should have been able to burn 50 seconds easily if Dick Rod just falls down in bounds. I know the rule and knew the rule during the game, but you are actually wrong on this one HH. Dick Rod should have gone down in bounds.

[Patler]

Now hopefully the offense gets its head out of it's ass over the bye week. I would say the defense as well but Capers means they will remain in assville.

The offense scored 27 points on 9 possessions. I'm not sure the problem is all that big.

[Fritz]

The offense scored 27 points on 9 possessions. I'm not sure the problem is all that big.

While the Packers are winning and showing grit in doing so, the injuries - especially to Nelson - are really thwarting this offense. Without Nelson, with his back-shoulder catches and his toe-tapping gymnastics on long passes, teams are creeping up on the los, and doubling Cobb. This is making things difficult for both the running and passing games.

In a way, it seemed almost strange that they won. The defense was getting burned, over and over and over again, by those damn crossing routes. The Chargers were having their way with the Packer defensive line and the pass rush in general.

I am very glad they won. But it felt like they struggled on both sides of the ball. Weird, I know.

By the way, Raji did not play at all, correct?

[Patler]

Also, rogers has to find comfort with the remaining receivers, as we may find ourselves in the same predicament later in season.

Yet, Rodgers completed passes to 9 different receivers. With Adams and Harris inactive, the only active skill-position players who did not have a reception were Ripkowski, Backman and Abrederis. One article said Backman didn't play on offense. I haven't yet watched the game, did Abrederis or Ripkowski play on offense? If they did, I'm sure it wasn't much. It looks like Rodgers used all of his receivers well enough. Each had two receptions, except Starks and Perrilo, who had one each.

[pbmax]

The team hurrying, or length of play are irrelevant. The refs have same task to deal with out-of-bounds. The refs aren't waiting on teams to start play clock.

They do during substitutions, but I'm not at all certain the Packers weren't in no huddle mode.

[pbmax]

By the way, Raji did not play at all, correct?

No Raji, Perry or Burnett.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Yet, Rodgers completed passes to 9 different receivers. With Adams and Harris inactive, the only active skill-position players who did not have a reception were Ripkowski, Backman and Abrederis. One article said Backman didn't play on offense. I haven't yet watched the game, did Abrederis or Ripkowski play on offense? If they did, I'm sure it wasn't much. It looks like Rodgers used all of his receivers well enough. Each had two receptions, except Starks and Perrilo, who had one each.

I did see Abby on the field in the 4th Q as a WR. I remember that CBS showed a list the skill personnel on the screen. That's a nice feature.

[Pugger]

While the Packers are winning and showing grit in doing so, the injuries - especially to Nelson - are really thwarting this offense. Without Nelson, with his back-shoulder catches and his toe-tapping gymnastics on long passes, teams are creeping up on the los, and doubling Cobb. This is making things difficult for both the running and passing games.

In a way, it seemed almost strange that they won. The defense was getting burned, over and over and over again, by those damn crossing routes. The Chargers were having their way with the Packer defensive line and the pass rush in general.

I am very glad they won. But it felt like they struggled on both sides of the ball. Weird, I know.

By the way, Raji did not play at all, correct?

Yes, Raji did not play along with Perry and that hampered our pass rush.

We are missing Nelson but if the only WRs you have that are healthy are Janis and Abby it can't be a mystery why our offense is sputtering at times. Having a gimpy Lacy isn't helping helping either. IMO one mistake Clements made yesterday was not running Starks more. A viable running game could have helped sustain more offensive drives against SD.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Dick Rod should have gone down in bounds.

Not with 7 minutes left in close game! There are going to be a couple more changes of possession, going for yardage and points is still paramount.

You can make argument (a weak one, I would say) that shutting-down is fine with 7 minutes to go in a close game. There is zero argument for calling a player "dumb" for playing aggressive in that situation rather than killing a few extra seconds.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Noticed on the replay of the incomplete pass in the end zone to Rodgers in the 4th Q where the Pack had to settle for the FG, Jones was open in the end zone. Could have sealed the game there, but Rodgers missed him.

[yetisnowman]

Not with 7 minutes left in close game! There are going to be a couple more changes of possession, going for yardage and points is still paramount.

You can make argument (a weak one, I would say) that shutting-down is fine with 7 minutes to go in a close game. There is zero argument for calling a player "dumb" for playing aggressive in that situation rather than killing a few extra seconds.

First of all you choose to say 7 minutes.....interesting, there was 6:05 when RR went out of bounds. Also he didn't gain any yards by jumping out of bounds, he could have lowered his head, stayed in bounds and gained as much if not maybe more, so aggression wasn't the issue. And you have repeatedly stated that the clock only stops for a few seconds, well I timed it and 25 seconds went by between him going out of bounds and the game clock starting again. on a play where you are nursing a lead and just got a first down I'd say that is significant. It's fundamental clock management, it's ok to be wrong about this one buddy. Maybe watch the play again?

[Harlan Huckleby]

First of all you choose to say 7 minutes.....interesting, there was 6:05 when RR went out of bounds. Also he didn't gain any yards by jumping out of bounds, he could have lowered his head, stayed in bounds and gained as much if not maybe more, so aggression wasn't the issue.

Aggression is the issue. You don't play differently - modify play to kill the clock - outside of 5 minutes.
You don't call a player "dumb" for not going down in such an ambiguous situation.

I timed it and 25 seconds went by between him going out of bounds and the game clock starting again

It doesn't matter if 25 years go by! That is not the relevant time period. Think it through.