McGinn trashes Packer leaders, Rob Davis, Packers fans and WI media

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Nobody believes the Packers are squeaky clean. This is not some major scoop. It is what we all already know. As many have already said, its not much different than any other job. If someone stands to make you a lot of money, things get overlooked. Like it or hate it, that's the reality. If you don't like it the best option is to stop watching, otherwise you are contributing to the problem.

thats the point of the article that i agree with. i would say the majority of packer fans think the team IS squeaky clean, or stands on a higher moral platform then other teams do

all you have to do to find proof is to read some message boards or the replies to any story about the team

many packer fans are delusional to the point that its almost embarrassing IMO

[sharpe1027]

thats the point of the article that i agree with. i would say the majority of packer fans think the team IS squeaky clean, or stands on a higher moral platform then other teams do

all you have to do to find proof is to read some message boards or the replies to any story about the team

many packer fans are delusional to the point that its almost embarrassing IMO

Making blanket statements about a fan base based on message board posts is comical.

[Joemailman]

The Packers have never claimed that they are above giving a chance to a player with off field issues. Ever. What they have refused to do is make big investments in terms of high draft picks or large multi-year contracts to such players. They're not going to put the organization at risk with moves like that. McGinn claims in his article that the Packers cultivate a holier-than -thou image. I don't really see any evidence of that.

If Rob Davis is trying to intimidate reporters who write negative things, that's an issue that has to be dealt with.

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Making blanket statements about a fan base based on message board posts is comical.

so is the fact that if you say anything even remotely negative about the team, you better be ready for a fight because your about to be attacked by the masses

[ThunderDan]

and the head up the ass people will bitch about those posters whenever they say anything even remotely negative about the team, or question anything the team does or doesn't do.

case in point, it pissed you off so much that someone would question the play calling, that it managed to stick in your head long after the fact.

bet you just seethe at the thought of someone thinking the playcalling might have been wrong?

Nope, that isn't what gets to me. I use to be just like that. Second guessing every play and call.

It took a while but soon realized that the people running every NFL organization have much more knowledge and experience than I will ever have about football. Then the other shoe dropped that we know 1/10 of what is actually happening with the Packers in any given season. We get to see the games and the postgame analysis. Then we get news articles that either confirm or discard our biases. That is the only information we know about the team. We aren't in the meeting rooms or the practice fields. We see the finished product and very little about how it came together.

Now, when they is an area of concern I will voice my dislike. Like the clusterfuck on special teams and how we hired the Zookeeper who was the assistant last year.

[ThunderDan]

so is the fact that if you say anything even remotely negative about the team, you better be ready for a fight because your about to be attacked by the masses

Fan is short for fanatic. Anytime when someone opens their mouth on a fan site one should be prepared. Fuck, look at this place with the Favre/TT fiasco.

[sharpe1027]

so is the fact that if you say anything even remotely negative about the team, you better be ready for a fight because your about to be attacked by the masses

BS. This is a strawman argument. I hear negative stuff about the team from fans as much as positive. Now, if you make extreme statements over and over, repeating the same narrative, yeah people will tend to disagree with you.

[Joemailman]

i call it "head up the ass syndrome". we could go 0-16, and there will be many fans saying "we don't need to change what we're doing, we're going in the right direction"

so is the fact that if you say anything even remotely negative about the team, you better be ready for a fight because your about to be attacked by the masses

When you make comments as stupid as the first quote, there's a chance you'll be attacked by the masses, or at least a few.

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i honestly think you're selling yourself short dan. i would say you probably DO know more then some of the people in the business

take rob davis from the article. he's the "director of player engagement" (whatever the hell that is). anyways, its a front office job for an NFL team. is he smarter then you or me? probably not. so what qualifies him for a job like that? well he played in the NFL, thats a big one, but the only thing he did in his career is the one thing that i have felt for along time is the most worthless job on an nfl team

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like many in the nfl, he got his job because of who he knows, and because he was a well respected member of the team, not because he knows more about the game the anyone else

and someday he might just get promoted, and promoted again

doesn't mean that guy knows more or is smarter that some fans out there

[ThunderDan]

i honestly think you're selling yourself short dan. i would say you probably DO know more then some of the people in the business

take rob davis from the article. he's the "director of player engagement" (whatever the hell that is). anyways, its a front office job for an NFL team. is he smarter then you or me? probably not. so what qualifies him for a job like that? well he played in the NFL, thats a big one, but the only thing he did in his career is the one thing that i have felt for along time is the most worthless job on an nfl team

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like many in the nfl, he got his job because of who he knows, and because he was a well respected member of the team, not because he knows more about the game the anyone else

and someday he might just get promoted, and promoted again

doesn't mean that guy knows more or is smarter that some fans out there

While I might be smarter than some of the Packer coaches and front office (never met any for more then a minute) I certainly don't have the experience they do. I watch 12 hours of football a week and blog for a bit. They are doing this 80+ hours a week during the season and 40+ for the 3 off months of the year. That experience and the hands-on knowledge of being in the building is something that can't be overlooked.

if I was hired by the Packers I am sure after seeing what really goes on inside the building I would be like, "shit, I got a lot of work to do to get up to speed here." Not saying I couldn't do the job but there would be a lot to learn.

[Joemailman]

As the director of player engagement, Davis is vital in maintaining locker-room cohesiveness and overall player health. He assists players in acclimating to their roles, both on and off the field and in the Green Bay community.

Davis also oversees the Packers’ wide range of programs designed to meet the needs of players and their families in today’s NFL. The department provides a framework of assistance within which players and their immediate family members can address the pressures created by daily life and complicated by the demands of playing professional football. The program is also set up to get players prepared for life after football, and helps players seek educational and vocational opportunities. Davis also developed a mentorship program, aimed at joining Packers players with community leaders who serve as professional mentors.

Davis is the organization's guy for working with players on any and all off field issues. As such, he's probably been working closely with Guion, especially since his arrest. As a player, I recall Davis had a good reputation in the locker room, despite being just a special teams guy.

[George Cumby]

This is a good argument. I like it. But we should define what it is we are arguing about and the subject matter is multi layered and nuanced.

One layer is McGinn and Cohen are trying to save their jobs.

Another point is the fan base consists of a bunch of sheep who don't care what the organization does or how unethical the organization is.

Another is that the organization is as odious and unethical as all the other teams and will pay the dregs of society provided they help the team.

Another is that Rob Davis is a thug, a mafia-type enforcer.

What else am I missing?

[pbmax]

I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here! Now where are my winnings?

I do agree with Bob that the Packers failure to say anything after the report is pretty poor form. And M3 and Davis getting all pissy is just juvenile. Not having a single owner probably does encourage this part.

However, if Florida law was so forgiving (who knew? maybe just about violence and not drugs) and neither the Vikings and the NFL knew, is it really the Packers that have a unique weakness, or that the entire NFL bluster about protecting the shield is a shell of a promise?

Coaches have said some truly stupid things when they take the HC job. M3's statement about Packer People was no more gullible than the rest. Bob is just riding a wave of schadenfreude.

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Jersey Al - GBP @JerseyAlGBP 29m29 minutes ago
"Under Bob's sudden high morality criteria, the Pack probably should have cut their alcoholic & drug addicted QB circa 1996..."

Jersey Al - GBP @JerseyAlGBP 31m31 minutes ago
Comments on McGinn's post: "I have yet to read an article bashing the Brewers for taking a guy like Ryan Braun back."

[Patler]

For some reason, the chronic bitchers think they are the only ones who are objective, but they are no more objective than "the Packers can do no wrong" crowd. The majority of the fan base is in neither group, but is probably more tolerant of the constantly positive than they are of the constantly negative, it's human nature.

Anyone who was around during the '70s and '80s knows that the majority of Packer fans are not accepting of poor seasons. Fans called for firings and major shake-ups. Bengtson and Devine were run out of town. Fans were embarrassed by Gregg's brand of players. Starr held the hearts of the fan base for a long time, but even he wore out his welcome among the fans. The difference between GB and SOME other fan bases is that in GB fans will still back their team and players when game day rolls around.

Are there some who have a "holier than thou" opinion of the Packers? I think there are, but it is an extremely small group. Most fans know of the problems that have been constant; and I have never seen the Packers themselves proclaim such a status.

In this one article, McGinn has pretty much declared himself more righteous than Packer management and coaches, more aware then the majority of Packer fans, and better than the majority of the WI media. Who has the attitude?