No more excuses for Aaron.

[King Friday]

McGinn's article today quoted the typical scouts and head office personnel, who said the o line is fine, even better than they thought, but Rodgers reluctance and indecision puts them in difficult situations.

At this point, I don't have a clue.

There are about 18 different factors screwing this offense up. The coaching staff's inability to craft a unique game plan is probably near the top. Rodgers' sudden transformation into a "scared" player who has happy feet is also near the top.

This time, they can't complain about the game being against an elite defense on the road. This was a stinker at home to a lousy defense. McCarthy has to make wholesale changes at this point, or risks throwing away the season.

[pbmax]

Well Tausch, McCarren and Bob's scouts can wait. Don Barclay was at Left Tackle for a good portion of the second half and somehow the left side didn't light itself on fire. He had a better game than Bach has had on several occasions.

There is no doubt some portion of the hits are Rodgers waiting to throw. But he had pressure from all quarters but Barclay today. There is clearly a problem with protection calls with unexpected pressure up the middle. Its like the line is doing a half slide protection one way, opening the middle and Rodgers is telling Starks to block anywhere but the middle.

Early in the game though, he had time. Once the pressure started, things got worse.

[mraynrand]

you weren't here in the game day thread, but i mentioned that larry and taush said on the pregame show that the o-line was fine, and last week was only a problem because of assignment confusion on a few plays

i don't get it either

Ya, I think they are full of shit. Watch - on almost every drop back, Bacteria and Beluga are surrendering 3 steps towards Rodgers. He never gets a clean pocket. And I think it's also made him skittish, so he's to blame for that. Then add that receivers are blanketed, and maybe not doing what Rodgers expects (maybe part his fault too). It's a combination mess, but I think it starts with the tackles, and now the interior is doing the same thing.

[Patler]

Sometimes I think there is more of a pocket than the TV angle leads us to believe. On one of McCarren's shows last week, ARodgers was the guest. They showed the final play from a high angle behind the play. What looked like real pressure from Bulaga's man was really not nearly as in Rodgers face as I had thought. Rodgers even said the pressure wasn't that bad, but he went away from Cobb because the defense had leverage which usually ruins that play. But he admitted the "rub" was designed to do exactly as it did; and he should have stayed on Cobb longer.

So while the announcers described it as pressure from Bulaga's guy, another angle disproved that, and Rodgers discredited that as the reason.

[mraynrand]

Sometimes I think there is more of a pocket than the TV angle leads us to believe. On one of McCarren's shows last week, ARodgers was the guest. They showed the final play from a high angle behind the play. What looked like real pressure from Bulaga's man was really not nearly as in Rodgers face as I had thought. Rodgers even said the pressure wasn't that bad, but he went away from Cobb because the defense had outside leverage, which usually ruins that play. But he admitted the "rub" was designed to do exactly as it did; and he should have stayed on Cobb longer.

So while the announcers described it as pressure from Bulaga's guy, another angle disproved that, and Rodgers discredited that as the reason.

Must be my lyin' eyes again - I saw the defender push Bulaga right into the pocket, even with Stark's assist. Something frightened Rodgers there and it wasn't ISIS.

I suspect a white lie told to watching scouts - and a bit of CYA.

[mraynrand]

He has become decidedly inaccurate in the pocket when he begins to get happy feet. No doubt.

But getting hit 20 times a game will do that to you. I am stunned he isn't doing a Favre and throwing on the second of his three step drop.

But he is starting to duck and move even before the pressure arrives. Still, it is arriving all too often, so what is he to do? Seems like a bit of a catch 22. or drop 22. Or catch 22 if you mean Ripkowski.

^^^ I wish I could blame this on being drunk...

[Patler]

Must be my lyin' eyes again - I saw the defender push Bulaga right into the pocket, even with Stark's assist. Something frightened Rodgers there and it wasn't ISIS.

I suspect a white lie told to watching scouts - and a bit of CYA.

Well, that's what I thought too, until I saw it from a different angle. The initial pressure was more straight up the field, not toward the pocket. By the way, they showed it also again as a split screen, Rodgers in one and Cobb and Jones in the other. Rodgers didn't give it a chance, he looked at and turned away from Cobb well before the defenders collided and well before Cobb made his break. He never gave the play a chance to work, because he didn't think it would work. But it did work and he really would have had time to get it there had he stuck with the play.

[Patler]

Another interesting tidbit from Rodgers on a play that had pressure up the middle. I forget which play right now. He said the call was for the blockers to allow pressure up the middle, his intent was to roll right and he said the rushers there would be no problem. But, he said he hesitated, then went left instead, right at the guys they let come through. He said he made that one look awful bad when the line did as they were supposed to.

[mraynrand]

Well, that's what I thought too, until I saw it from a different angle. The initial pressure was more straight up the field, not toward the pocket. By the way, they showed it also again as a split screen, Rodgers in one and Cobb and Jones in the other. Rodgers didn't give it a chance, he looked at and turned away from Cobb well before the defenders collided and well before Cobb made his break. He never gave the play a chance to work, because he didn't think it would work. But it did work and he really would have had time to get it there had he stuck with the play.

I'll go back and dissect it. Maybe when I'm dead. Which might be sooner than later. But I won't be able to get back to you with my analysis. You'll have to live with the mystery.

[Patler]

I'll go back and dissect it. Maybe when I'm dead. Which might be sooner than later. But I won't be able to get back to you with my analysis. You'll have to live with the mystery.

Regardless, I will probably go with the McCarren/Rodgers analysis, because, .....well....., you probably get the idea.

[mr_blonde]

Aaron Rodgers can go fuck himself sideways and die.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/aaron-rodgers-calls-out-fan-for--prejudicial--comment-during-moment-of-silence-233808944.html

The little pussy is offended ...... oh, too bad.
I'm finished with this cunt. If the Packers cut him tomorrow, it wouldn't bother me one bit.

Fucking faggot. (And don't be fooled, Rodgers is as queer as a two dollar bill)

[pbmax]

Rodgers flat admitted after the game he came off Cobb nearly immediately when he spied what Tillman was doing (inside leverage on Jones). Didn't think the pick would work that well. What scared him off the throw was Tillman's technique. He said he was wrong not to trust the route.

Everyone on the planet thought the pass rush is what scared him, including Jaworski who was bellowing something about seeing ghosts this weekend.

I think the pressure kept him from staying on Cobb or Jones (Jones broke open too it was such a good pick) for any length of time. As it turned out, the bigger threat was up the middle and he side stepped into it.

Bob's scouts are overselling a mediocre performance. The line is problematic, but talented, and it can get its act together for a while. Its also having trouble with middle pressure for the first time since the RBs were rookies.

[pbmax]

But he is starting to duck and move even before the pressure arrives. Still, it is arriving all too often, so what is he to do? Seems like a bit of a catch 22. or drop 22. Or catch 22 if you mean Ripkowski.

^^^ I wish I could blame this on being drunk...

I agree. Its affected him out of proportion to the threat. And holding onto the ball waiting for someone to break open just exposes him to more hits.

[Patler]

I agree. Its affected him out of proportion to the threat. And holding onto the ball waiting for someone to break open just exposes him to more hits.

and more plays have been identified in which Rodgers does have available targets, even if not wide open, but doesn't throw. It is a snowballing effect from the play of the OL, receivers and QB.

I think equal blame is deserved.

[call_me_ishmael]

He has become decidedly inaccurate in the pocket when he begins to get happy feet. No doubt.

But getting hit 20 times a game will do that to you. I am stunned he isn't doing a Favre and throwing on the second of his three step drop.

I feel like we rarely run three step drops and that is part of the problem. 3 steps and sling it - but that won't work if DBs are raping your WRs in man. It seems people found the way to beat the Packers - take the Seattle approach. You know the refs aren't going to call the PI every play, so rape away.