WR Routes

[Teamcheez1]

Adams is playing himself into the second coming of Jarret Boykin.

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Adams is playing himself into the second coming of Jarret Boykin.

thats what i was thinking last night too

[denverYooper]

Longtime Denver media guy, solid local NFL writer:

Mike Klis @MikeKlis 4m4 minutes ago
From my living room recliner last night Aaron Rodgers has 2 problems-1. Davante Adams 2. LBers can cover Randall Cobb #9news #9sports

[mraynrand]

Longtime Denver media guy, solid local NFL writer:

Mike Klis @MikeKlis 4m4 minutes ago
From my living room recliner last night Aaron Rodgers has 2 problems-1. Davante Adams 2. LBers can cover Randall Cobb #9news #9sports

I think this is a result of awful route running. If you're jogging to an 'open spot' any LB, even AJ Hawk, can probably defense you.

[denverYooper]

True, but It's also about the depth. If they had abracadabra and monty out there the whole year, they be torching the other team's fourth and fifth dbs. Loss of the top tier Rodgers security blanket means they have to overwhelm with depth. The defense is the same way - notice how much better it's running with all the parts available. Packers have virtually no top tier talent. Maybe Rodgers and Matthews at this point, and I wouldn't even say that with the way they are both playing/being used. Need all hands on deck.

Nelson/security blanket also was a reliable go to hands guy. 2/17 jones/Adams have pretty much lost Rodger's confidence. So who the hell does he throw to now?

Comparing to NE, Brady never flinches when guys go down: why?

1) Coaching - the receivers don't know what the hell they are doing
2) Rodgers - won't throw to anyone he doesn't 'trust'
3) WRs - The play of some of these guys doesn't inspire trusts, so there you are.
4) Video games - too many of them apparently, leading to (3) and making (1) less effective
5) I hate football, why do I torture myself?
6) All of the above

Agree with #5. It's maddening to watch something you really have no control over.

I wonder if Belichick would cut guys for playing video games.

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ok, maybe it is all adams fault

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/11/27/aaron-rodgers-has-a-davante-adams-problem/

Over the last three weeks, when Rodgers throws to Adams, he’s 15-for-35 for 129 yards with no touchdowns and one interception. That’s a completion percentage of 42.9 percent, an average of 3.7 yards per pOver the last three weeks, when Rodgers throws to anyone other than Adams, he’s 58-for-103 for 618 yards with five touchdowns and no interceptions. That’s a completion percentage of 56.3 percent, an average of 6.0 yards per pass, and a passer rating of 90.2.

[denverYooper]

ok, maybe it is all adams fault

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...adams-problem/

Saw that too. I'm mystified as to why they don't bench him at this point.

[denverYooper]

I mean, Lacy gets benched for a fumble but at least 90% of his touches were productive.

[mraynrand]

Saw that too. I'm mystified as to why they don't bench him at this point.

Because Janis isn't 'trustworthy'

[mraynrand]

I mean, Lacy gets benched for a fumble but at least 90% of his touches were productive.

Give him the goddamn ball fuckers!

[smuggler]

Run the fucking ball and put the one receiver in the game that keeps the defense honest deep.

[Maxie the Taxi]

During the game I posted this:
"James Jones is dogging it tonight, no doubt about it. He makes one cut and gives up. Not going full speed ever. ...Maybe a hamstring? Or just an old guy dogging it?"

And this:
"James Jones is not even running full speed. He's loping. Has been all game. Plus, I've seen him stop running when Arod is scrambling."

I've always liked Jones, but there's a reason he left and didn't stick to the Jets(?). He's still strong and has great hands, but he's slow and takes plays off. He gets gassed running downfield. I could cover him, except for those out-of-bounds TD catches he makes. That has been his forte lately, catching the TD out of bounds. It's the only place the defense can't cover him.

And Adams is Jones's's's' weak sister. He's not strong enough to muscle through body checks and hand checks. He's slow running downfield and slow breaking to the ball. He loses on most jump balls. He's smart and maybe that's why Arod likes him. Maybe on the sideline and in meetings he can talk a good game, but he can't come through on the field.

Cobb? Nothing wrong with Cobb. He's not the fastest guy in the world, but he's strong, has great hands and gets to the ball. He's just trying too hard, trying to do it all himself. He knows he ain't got much help.

Situation has been this way for over a month and it ain't going to get better without some speed in our WR corps. And you can't teach speed.

Just my opinion as I see it.

[Bossman641]

ok, maybe it is all adams fault

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...adams-problem/

I'm not making an excuse, cause Adams has been shit, but I wonder how much the ankle is bothering him. He looked 10X better last year. That can't all be the result of facing the 3rd and 4th string DB's. He has no speed or ability to get open. He gets to the point of his route where he is making cuts and he does this jump cut fake move that is going nowhere.

[beveaux1]

Went into this season thinking that Rodgers made the wide receivers better than they actually are. I mistakenly thought that the loss of Nelson would be easily covered by Rodgers' accuracy and the emergence of Adams. Defenses have pretty quickly learned that double covering Cobb and man coverage on the rest of the receivers is a formula to victory. Rodgers refuses to throw to a covered receiver in order to avoid the interception and, whether it's mental or physical, his accuracy has been ordinary---better than Newton, much worse than Brady. Until the last couple of games, I thought the OL was part of the problem. I've changed my opinion on that, they held up and gave a very clean pocket and the results have been the same. Around 50% completions, no YAC, no deep balls with any chance of completion, every accurate throw contested, and almost every drive stalling after a couple of first downs.

I remember the biggest complaint in past seasons being the attempted long pass on 3rd and short. Our staple play of a 5 yard pass with a 10 yard YAC has been replaced with a 1 yard pass and immediate tackle to R Rodgers, or a throw away pass out of bounds. If not for screen passes, I don't think Rodgers would have had 100 yards. It would have been Denver all over again.

The offense SEEMS to have fixed the problem with the run game, but for 7 games, they have not come up with a fix for our passing game. I'm really beginning to believe they will not come up with a fix. Adams is what he is, a receiver with average hands, little speed, below average route running ability, no ability to cause separation from the defender. Jones has good hands, below average speed, below average route running ability, and cannot separate from the defender. Cobb is a good slot receiver with good quickness but below average deep speed, He's never been a route runner, and his hands are average to below average. Single covered he can generate YAC, double covered, he's no factor. R Rodgers has good hands, poor speed, actually can get open on short routes, but has the least YAC ability of anyone on the team. He's a master of the 0 to 3 yard pass. The bench of Montgomery, Abbredaris, and Janis, either are too raw or too injury prone to make much difference in the passing attack. We focus on Janis because of his speed, but it's pretty telling that he can't get on the field given the collection of inferior talent that's ahead of him on the depth chart.

Announcers say our offense is out of sync. I think the problem is the players, not the plays. Rodgers has lost accuracy and may have lost confidence in his very pedestrian corps of receivers. Really no easy fix. We can scheme a guy open once in a while, but the defense will counter that scheme and stop it pretty quickly. The players have to beat their man and that just isn't happening. Think of it this way. Nelson took a double team and was able to make plays. Cobb was single covered and could free lance. He usually had the #3 corner on him and he could beat him. Adams had either the #1 corner who took him out of the game or the #2 corner whom he sometimes could beat. This team has Adams facing the #1 corner whom he can't beat. Cobb facing the #3 corner with safety help and he doesn't get open. Jones facing the #2 corner and sometimes he gets 100 yards and sometimes he gets nothing. I just don't see a magic fix for our problems.

[Carolina_Packer]

I'm not making an excuse, cause Adams has been shit, but I wonder how much the ankle is bothering him. He looked 10X better last year. That can't all be the result of facing the 3rd and 4th string DB's. He has no speed or ability to get open. He gets to the point of his route where he is making cuts and he does this jump cut fake move that is going nowhere.

Yeah, I don't think he's 100% or even close. I think it's time to just turn Janis loose and see what he can do, especially on the scramble drills they seem to fall into when the rush comes and the receivers aren't getting open in their primary routes. It's not their style, but is there any possibility of bringing in a street free agent to try and inject some life, or is that a waste? http://walterfootball.com/freeagents2015WR.php