Another season goes by the boards, Rodgers another year older...

[pbmax]

I blame Rodgers and McCarthy. You can't tell me there isn't enough talent on the offensive side of the ball to do better than this. Short passes, tight Windows, check downs, running the ball, etc.....

Its more than talent. The scheme is broken and Rodgers is not in rhythm and doesn't agree with the play calls. DickRod has been targeted about 3 times since his breakout game.

I thought Patler was over-reacting earlier this year when he asked about the offseason changes, but the structure on offense has at a minimum not provided any help. More broadly, it has served the WR group and the passing game poorly.

[Sparkey]

What is the main change on offense from this year to last year ? Coaches......

They made so many changes on the offensive coaching side of the ball that along the way something was lost. Clements moved from OC to Associate Head Coach. Edgar Bennett moved from WR to OC. Alex Van Pelt added WR coach to his duties.

I watch replays of games and see horrible route running and route concepts. Multiple receivers within 10 yards of each other and whole quarters of the field that are empty ? It just boggles the mind. Maybe they made the playbook so complicated that the young guys are lost in actually knowing the routes to run? I mean, the play in the first half where Rogers is rolling right on a scarmble and Adams breaks off his in route and runs toward the opposite sideline ? WTF is that ? Why make a play harder than it has to be.

That and guys not making plays. For example. 1st quarter, Packers had gotten a first down on a runing play, next play play action for Abredderis who is open crossing the field and drops an easy catch. Just looks like poor preparation to me and that starts at the top.

[Striker]

What is the main change on offense from this year to last year ? Coaches......

They made so many changes on the offensive coaching side of the ball that along the way something was lost. Clements moved from OC to Associate Head Coach. Edgar Bennett moved from WR to OC. Alex Van Pelt added WR coach to his duties.

I watch replays of games and see horrible route running and route concepts. Multiple receivers within 10 yards of each other and whole quarters of the field that are empty ? It just boggles the mind. Maybe they made the playbook so complicated that the young guys are lost in actually knowing the routes to run? I mean, the play in the first half where Rogers is rolling right on a scarmble and Adams breaks off his in route and runs toward the opposite sideline ? WTF is that ? Why make a play harder than it has to be.

That and guys not making plays. For example. 1st quarter, Packers had gotten a first down on a runing play, next play play action for Abredderis who is open crossing the field and drops an easy catch. Just looks like poor preparation to me and that starts at the top.

One of the things I've noticed is that the WRs aren't really doing much after they finish their routes. You see a lot of standing around waiting for Aaron to do something.

[Bossman641]

One of the things I've noticed is that the WRs aren't really doing much after they finish their routes. You see a lot of standing around waiting for Aaron to do something.

Yep. Guys don't run routes like they are looking to get open and when they finish routes they aren't doing much.

[woodbuck27]

Soon there will be a "Rodgers the living legend" thread where we all fight about how much better he was or wasn't then the next QB.

Yahooooooo !

[woodbuck27]

What is the main change on offense from this year to last year ? Coaches......

They made so many changes on the offensive coaching side of the ball that along the way something was lost. Clements moved from OC to Associate Head Coach. Edgar Bennett moved from WR to OC. Alex Van Pelt added WR coach to his duties.

I watch replays of games and see horrible route running and route concepts. Multiple receivers within 10 yards of each other and whole quarters of the field that are empty ? It just boggles the mind. Maybe they made the playbook so complicated that the young guys are lost in actually knowing the routes to run? I mean, the play in the first half where Rogers is rolling right on a scarmble and Adams breaks off his in route and runs toward the opposite sideline ? WTF is that ? Why make a play harder than it has to be.

That and guys not making plays. For example. 1st quarter, Packers had gotten a first down on a runing play, next play play action for Abredderis who is open crossing the field and drops an easy catch. Just looks like poor preparation to me and that starts at the top.

Good stuff based on your concerns/efforts. (repped)

I also have the game on tape and will try to find time to make observations and come back with what I see.

There was just so much messed up last evening that maybe the best thing is simply wash it.

Get a fresh start and a very positive mind set to take Minny.

GO PACK GO !

[texaspackerbacker]

I hear this crap so often about Rodgers taking too long to throw the ball. That just ain't accurate. 90 or 95% of the time, he is running for his life as soon as the ball is snapped. That was the case before when we had receivers who got open. Now we don't most of the time - that and teams are getting smarter about playing closer to the line/taking a chance on deep throws. You guys saying he holds it too long, what do you want? A damn Cutler or Stafford who puts it up for grabs? I've actually seen Rodgers moving toward that lately, and I don't like it - as if somebody is stupidly telling him to not be quite so careful about avoiding interceptions. Another thing I don't like is all the stupidity about running more. In a lot of cases, all that does is waste downs and put more pressure on the QB. I don't hate a run first attack; Take last season's Wisconsin O Line with Stave at QB and Gordon running - in THAT situation run-first is called for. With our crap O Line and STILL the best QB in the NFL over the past 5 years or so, running should only be a change of pace.

[Freak Out]

It all starts in the trenches and our guys have succumb to the Kraut gas attack.

[Fritz]

^ At one point in the first quarter, it was 8-2, run versus pass. At a certain point running wasn't much of an option. And the best runner was out of the game after the first play of the second half.

And I liked that ratio. I think MM gave up on it too quickly. For example, when the offense got the ball back after Daniels's interception, I'd have just run it three times. Full house backfield, Rodgers and Quarless at TE with Kuhn in the backfield to block, something. Or maybe a spread formation with only Lacey in the backfield, and then that shovel pass to him as he's standing near the line of scrimmage by the center. Something.

I have no faith, at all, in the passing game. So I'd try to resurrect the running game the team had for a couple games there, when Lacey had big yards and MM kept calling the run. Then you could at least hope play action might help open some things up.

[Carolina_Packer]

Rodgers has never been a type of QB that lets it go at the end of his drop. He takes forever in the pocket to locate his receivers and throw the football. The offensive line has been a mash unit from the beginning of the year. I don't think either tackle has been healthy since preseason. Sitton is battling back problems and leg problems all year. The Packers can't run the ball because the offensive line can't get a push and they have lost their first step on the edge. Sorry guys it starts up front, you can blame the receivers all you want but the injuries and the play of the line is the fundamental down fall of this team. Offensive linemen get hurt when they are not playing well, they are usually stood up and push over piles, or they are standing straight up and get their legs cut from underneath them. See Bulaga from yesterday.

There are excuses and then there are reasons. These are reasons.

I think it's all interrelated. I think the O-line being able to create cutback lanes means the RB's properly reading and hitting the holes. I see that leading to good down and distance and second and third down, with more manageable third down conversions. How often have we seen third and long?

Third and short is a good thing, especially to an offensive line that has protection issues, and for receivers who can't beat man coverage consistently. How much longer does it take receivers to get open for first down yardage on third and long? How much longer does the offensive line have to block against the pass rush on third and long?

Commit to running the ball. To me that's going down swinging. It's a more manageable game for the offense if they can run the ball, and is everyone's friend, especially if they move the chains and help keep the defense rested.

[Pugger]

What is the main change on offense from this year to last year ? Coaches......

They made so many changes on the offensive coaching side of the ball that along the way something was lost. Clements moved from OC to Associate Head Coach. Edgar Bennett moved from WR to OC. Alex Van Pelt added WR coach to his duties.

I watch replays of games and see horrible route running and route concepts. Multiple receivers within 10 yards of each other and whole quarters of the field that are empty ? It just boggles the mind. Maybe they made the playbook so complicated that the young guys are lost in actually knowing the routes to run? I mean, the play in the first half where Rogers is rolling right on a scarmble and Adams breaks off his in route and runs toward the opposite sideline ? WTF is that ? Why make a play harder than it has to be.

That and guys not making plays. For example. 1st quarter, Packers had gotten a first down on a runing play, next play play action for Abredderis who is open crossing the field and drops an easy catch. Just looks like poor preparation to me and that starts at the top.

I've bitched a few times in the past about the offensive coaching changes - especially having Van Pelt in charge of both the QBs and WRs - and was told I was just making excuses. IMO Mac over-reacted to the NFCC loss last season and tried to fix something that really didn't need fixing.