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  • #46
    Cold blooded.

    Tom James ‏@TribStarTJames 10m10 minutes ago
    According to an NFL source, the Colts were negotiating with Sean Payton reps while Pagano talks were also happening. Talks broke down.
    Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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    • #47
      The memory has faded. The bitter pain has passed. Many fans now behave like every other fan base looking for a quick, "one change" quick fix.

      JS Comments ‏@JSComments 28m28 minutes ago
      Unless we win a Superbowl it should be the End of the Mc Carthy era! We as fans deserve better than this!!
      Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by pbmax View Post
        The memory has faded. The bitter pain has passed. Many fans now behave like every other fan base looking for a quick, "one change" quick fix.

        JS Comments ‏@JSComments 28m28 minutes ago
        Unless we win a Superbowl it should be the End of the Mc Carthy era! We as fans deserve better than this!!
        Where the hell does this sense of entitlement come from? Why do Green Bay fans "deserve" better?

        Complete idiocy.
        "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

        KYPack

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        • #49
          I wonder if it occurs to a lot of people that the average NFL team wins the Super Bowl once every 32 years. The Packers have won 2 in 20. So that's 3 times better than the average. Only New England has won more. Packers have made the playoffs 15 out of 20 years, which is double the average. Not that we should be satisfied with just making the playoffs, but anyone with a little perspective would understand that the Packers are one of the premier organizations in the NFL.

          If either TT or MM were fired, they wouldn't be employed very long.
          I can't run no more
          With that lawless crowd
          While the killers in high places
          Say their prayers out loud
          But they've summoned, they've summoned up
          A thundercloud
          They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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          • #50
            Originally posted by pbmax View Post
            The memory has faded. The bitter pain has passed. Many fans now behave like every other fan base looking for a quick, "one change" quick fix.

            JS Comments ‏@JSComments 28m28 minutes ago
            Unless we win a Superbowl it should be the End of the Mc Carthy era! We as fans deserve better than this!!
            This team will have more issues than ever as this season closes out. I'm not willing to throw the towel in on MM yet, but the in the NFL, the arrow is either pointing "up or down" for every team. If we take a step backwards next year, or might I say limp into the playoffs as a marginal wild card team, something needs to change at the top of this organization.

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            • #51
              Unless we win a Superbowl it should be the End of the Mc Carthy era! We as fans deserve better than this!!
              A good coach will win the Superbowl every year. We do not have a good coach.
              "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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              • #52
                If there is going to be a shakeup in Green Bay, it will be with the offensive coaching staff. MM gave Clements, Bennett and Van Pelt added responsibilities, and the result was a disaster.
                I can't run no more
                With that lawless crowd
                While the killers in high places
                Say their prayers out loud
                But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                A thundercloud
                They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Joemailman View Post
                  I wonder if it occurs to a lot of people that the average NFL team wins the Super Bowl once every 32 years. The Packers have won 2 in 20. So that's 3 times better than the average. Only New England has won more. Packers have made the playoffs 15 out of 20 years, which is double the average. Not that we should be satisfied with just making the playoffs, but anyone with a little perspective would understand that the Packers are one of the premier organizations in the NFL.

                  If either TT or MM were fired, they wouldn't be employed very long.
                  I think you mean unemployed very long.
                  But Rodgers leads the league in frumpy expressions and negative body language on the sideline, which makes him, like Josh Allen, a unique double threat.

                  -Tim Harmston

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by mraynrand View Post
                    A good coach will win the Superbowl every year. We do not have a good coach.
                    Agreed, just look at all the Super Bowls Bilicheat has won since MM took over in GB.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by ThunderDan View Post
                      I think you mean unemployed very long.
                      Oh yeah.
                      I can't run no more
                      With that lawless crowd
                      While the killers in high places
                      Say their prayers out loud
                      But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                      A thundercloud
                      They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by pbmax View Post
                        Owners must hate handing all football authority over to a GM. The new trend is to have someone above the GM, reporting back to the owner. and its not just the business side, this person often helps select the GM. Dolphins just did it, Titans doing it, Browns doing it.
                        Three model franchises, too.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Joemailman View Post
                          If there is going to be a shakeup in Green Bay, it will be with the offensive coaching staff. MM gave Clements, Bennett and Van Pelt added responsibilities, and the result was a disaster.
                          So what does he do in response? Should he leave EB as OC, and Clements in some Assistant Head Coach-Offense capacity, while hiring a new WR coach? He can't go back to what was in 2014. Will Clements leave or be let go? How about EB? Will Van Pelt sulk if the WRs are taken away from him?

                          Administratively, MM could have a bit of a mess on his hands, depending on how a few individuals respond to changes that may be needed.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Joemailman View Post
                            I wonder if it occurs to a lot of people that the average NFL team wins the Super Bowl once every 32 years. The Packers have won 2 in 20. So that's 3 times better than the average. Only New England has won more. Packers have made the playoffs 15 out of 20 years, which is double the average. Not that we should be satisfied with just making the playoffs, but anyone with a little perspective would understand that the Packers are one of the premier organizations in the NFL.

                            If either TT or MM were fired, they wouldn't be employed very long.
                            I don't disagree with any of this. The one thing that concerns me a little about MM's tenure is that we have seen unexpected collapses in the last two seasons. Last year's was devastating, and I think MM deserves some credit for the team's quick start after such a horrific end to 2014. But the team that came out of the bye week is nothing like the team that went 6-0 to start the season. The inability to adapt to the new opposing defensive strategies after the Denver game is both puzzling and troubling.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Patler View Post
                              So what does he do in response? Should he leave EB as OC, and Clements in some Assistant Head Coach-Offense capacity, while hiring a new WR coach? He can't go back to what was in 2014. Will Clements leave or be let go? How about EB? Will Van Pelt sulk if the WRs are taken away from him?

                              Administratively, MM could have a bit of a mess on his hands, depending on how a few individuals respond to changes that may be needed.
                              I think he has 2 choices. Leave it alone and hope next year, with hopefully a better WR situation, is better. Or, start over with an entirely new staff as he did with the defense following 2008.
                              I can't run no more
                              With that lawless crowd
                              While the killers in high places
                              Say their prayers out loud
                              But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                              A thundercloud
                              They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Joemailman View Post
                                I think he has 2 choices. Leave it alone and hope next year, with hopefully a better WR situation, is better. Or, start over with an entirely new staff as he did with the defense following 2008.
                                Can he dump an entire staff that coached an offense to set team records in 2014 and lead the league in scoring?

                                I think there are two overriding issues:

                                1. How culpable is EB for the overall dysfunction on offense? Did he bump his head against his coaching ceiling? Do you remove EB from the OC position? If so, do you fill it with Clements, or hire someone else, like Philbin? Would EB accept a demotion, perhaps back to coaching WRs, or do you need to let him go?

                                2. If MM intends to continue play calling, what does he do with Clements? This may also depend on the handling of #1.


                                Do you keep them all, and just reshuffle the deck again? Clements as OC-Passing game, and EB as OC-Running game, then hire a WR coach?

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