It is hard for me to see how this team will ever get to another SB with this regime

[3irty1]

Peppers was cut due to salary cap and we signed ahead of the season starting; Jones seems more like a waiver wire claim than a unrestricted free agent. I don't know how to categorize Kuhn cause I don't remember .

I know they are all free agents so by definition you are right.

But my whineage has to do with the GB's typical hibernation specifically during the URFA signing period when teams are competing or sought after players who are going to make a roster as opposed to signing them who we claim after they get cut during the preseason.

This seems like an odd year to whine about big ticket FA's when nearly every one that changed hands last year made both teams worse.

[Patler]

Peppers was cut due to salary cap and we signed ahead of the season starting; Jones seems more like a waiver wire claim than a unrestricted free agent. I don't know how to categorize Kuhn cause I don't remember .

I know they are all free agents so by definition you are right.

But my whineage has to do with the GB's typical hibernation specifically during the URFA signing period when teams are competing or sought after players who are going to make a roster as opposed to signing them who we claim after they get cut during the preseason.

Jones was not subject to waivers, he was a free agent, able to negotiate and sign with any team he wanted to, the same as when he was released by Oakland, the same as when his contract expired and he signed with Oakland in 2014. There is no doubt he was a free agent by any definition in 2014. He put up 73 receptions in his only season there.

Jones had the highest cap number among receivers at Oakland, and it was widely reported that with the number of younger receivers they suddenly had, saving Jones' cap cost became important to them. Their decision to release him was probably as much of a cap/value decision as Peppers was in Chicago, its just that the $ and value components were higher for Peppers than Jones.

Who the heck knows what the Giants were thinking? Jones lead Oakland in receptions in 2014. He lead the Packers in receiving yards this year. But the Giants couldn't find room for him with a contract that was reported to be at the veteran minimum, and after he lead them in both receptions and yards in preseason.

[pbmax]

^And Victor Cruz could not find the field in 2015.

[Bretsky]

This seems like an odd year to whine about big ticket FA's when nearly every one that changed hands last year made both teams worse.

I'm not sure what a big ticket free agent is defined as; but last year was the year to get a TE

[Bretsky]

I really thought I was forever done posting here, then I read this. It took me 20 minutes to get my password reset, during which I pretty much calmed down, but here goes. Yes, I complained mightly about the offensive line - because it stunk.

But if you keep my comments in context, they were at a time when Allen Barbre was starting at right tackle, and he was a 7th round pick, and Daryn Colledge was a Left Guard and he was worse than the diet pepsi machine. I wanted, as you may recall, for him to be moved to left tackle, as he had some early success when Clifton was hurt. Then they finally moved him there and he resembled Lombardi's statute there, and I gave up and suggested that he be banished to managing a Dairy Queen in his home town...

Once Thompson finally dedicated some decent draft picks to the line, I did stop complaining. I'm still not happy with the line, but that has nothing to do with Thompson and everything to do with the fact that they either can't protect the quarterback until game 8, or, they are always hurt (Bulaga...).

Back into hiding now. Carry on.

WELCOME BACK !!!!!

[Bretsky]

Wait, if RG was lurking, does that mean that every other tired or pissed off former poster is among the 75 people lurking every day?

I thought they all were Google Bots.

Wonder where Favrechild is ? She was a feisty one. My guess is she's a bikini model somewhere or working at Hooters of America ))) Maybe she'll come out of lurking to yell at me

[Bretsky]

Wait, if RG was lurking, does that mean that every other tired or pissed off former poster is among the 75 people lurking every day?

I thought they all were Google Bots.

THIS COULD BE A GREAT STRATEGY; POST something to get the blood pressure to rise from former posters and get them upset enough to come back.

DEAR LURKER

Your Drift analysis was inferior to that of Bretsky's. Where is your guy Donte Moch now ? (not even sure he's on a team). My guess is he's working with Torrence Marshall.
Brooks Reed turned out to be a much better player.

PLEASE RESPOND SOON AND COME BACK


Sincerely,
Bretsky

[woodbuck27]

THIS COULD BE A GREAT STRATEGY; POST something to get the blood pressure to rise from former posters and get them upset enough to come back.

DEAR LURKER

Your Drift analysis was inferior to that of Bretsky's. Where is your guy Donte Moch now ? (not even sure he's on a team). My guess is he's working with Torrence Marshall.
Brooks Reed turned out to be a much better player.

PLEASE RESPOND SOON AND COME BACK


Sincerely,
Bretsky

[woodbuck27]

Wonder where Favrechild is ? She was a feisty one. My guess is she's a bikini model somewhere or working at Hooters of America ))) Maybe she'll come out of lurking to yell at me

Here name here gives a hint as to what she might have felt as a member of Packerrats and the Tom Foolery that was such puss on this forum generated and endorced by a certain clique of posters here. They've mostly disappeared rather than eat crow. The consequence of their domination was severe/heavy.

An overall loss of a solid membership. People that through their consistent positive input and need to see the same here in terms of common sense simply gave up. We all paid a price for the nonsense.

Some of us are the TRUE survivors and will be greatly rewarded when Brett Favre enters the NFL HOF with distinction.

Those others here it is:





Too much silly ant-Favre BS here at the time.

Some sensible Packer fans simply had enough of the mockery of 'loyalty' and a great Packer QB who gave and gave ...who always just gave of himself and was all for the team.

[woodbuck27]

Outstanding post Patler (Did you have that on file?) and TT and recent Green Bay Packer history and the Draft analysis in the TT regime.

The TRUTH is this........... time ........... Patler:

TIME.....marches on and the mantra's always the same:

Just WIN !

Be truly ready to compete for a Super Bowl.

Then TT and his team gets a Green Light.

It's certainly on TT's plate to get to the bottom of all the rumors and issues on the team at present before the Packers get completely off the tracks. We may argue here till the cows are in the barn and TT and Draft genius or not.

I've got a position I cannot let go of because events support the facts as I see them.

TT as too slow or NOT as Pro Active at upgrading the Packers and/or jump on an opportunity as I feel as a fan that he should be. He's not able (the real; word is capable of getting his HC) to do what must be obviously done. ie Get rid of a ST's coach (Slocum) that was useless. Too long as fans we put up with that buddy up system that was an obvious detriment to the Packers.

I'm still on the fence and Dom Capers. I watched the Vikings @ Packers NFCN Championship game (recorded) two more times. Dom Capers 'D' wasn't disastrous.

The issue on the Packers is what's wrong with Aaron Rodgers and throwing mechanics and faster decision making (See WR routes below). His on field demeanor I hold questionable. He and attitude...that was better Vs the Vikings and seemed positive...prepared mentally and emotionally to win the game. His eyes looked right in terms of attitude. He looked positive...ready. You see a ton observing a person's face.

Why are the RB running straight ahead into a DL that means little yardage? Is that on the OL?

What's up with lousy WR and TE routes. Routes are designed to get the receiver open for a pass. In that last game I saw poor route running. One time 3 WR's went to the RHS of the end zone as if it was a hail Mary play. Spread out the routes...don't put all your eggs in one basket.

All that stuff above and more lots more TT has to have the absolute BEST answer to and in accordance with that ensure the best case action for the ultimate best results.

To do that TT has to be hands on; have his head into the pulse of the team. Is that TT in your view Patler.

Ted Thompson is less available (visable to the fans) it seems (always seemed) to me than the Invisible Man.

[Pugger]

It astounds me that after 11 years people still bring up Matt O'Dwyer, as if that was a great FA failure. That is exactly the type of signing you should want to see more of. It happened not to work, but that is a risk with any draft pick or FA signing. The Packers needed two guards, because Sherman had left the cupboard completely bare. TT signed a guy (O'Dwyer) who had 100+ starts in the NFL, hoping to get another year out of him. As I recall, he signed for next to nothing, but the Packers couldn't afford much as they had to release Sharper just to get under the salary cap. TT signed another, fairly expensive FA to play guard, drafted a guard and drafted another considered a C/G who ended up as a guard. O'Dwyer was virtually a no risk signing, with the possibility of being a one-year answer at guard. It didn't work, but so what?

Players don't want to play in GB now? Story is that Peppers drove up to GB and contacted no on else, just signed with GB. Williams, House, Jones wanted badly to stay. Daniels could have gone elsewhere, perhaps even for more $, but clearly wanted to stay.

The Packers have four starters who were signed as FAs. How is that ignoring the FA market?

In 2014, GB had the #1 scoring offense. Their QB was MVP and widely considered the best in the league. The had a RB with two years over a thousand yards and a solid backup, both with decent YPC averages. They had two WRs who set records as a combination and had rookie WRs drafted in the 2nd, 5th and 7th rounds, each possessing different traits. Their O-line was reasonably young and established at their positions. Yet, you seem to think MM and TT should have made wholesale changes last off season because of what happened this year. Really?

You can pick just about any position and make an argument that he should have invested more top picks in that position when a need existed. However, when the need exists, the supply might not be available. Instead, let's look at the distribution of draft picks in TT's 11 drafts:

1st& 2nd Rounds
QB - 2
RB - 2
WR - 5
TE - 0
T - 2
G -1
C - 0
DE - 3
DT - 2
LB - 3
CB - 4
S - 2

In the third rounds he has added a RB, 2 WR, 2 TE, a G/C, DE, LB and 2 S.

What position has he ignored?

In the 4th rounds he has drafted: RB, WR, 2 T, 2 G, C, DE, DT, 3 LB, 2 CB, 2 S. Except for QB and TE, he has covered every position in the fourth round alone.

He didn't plan for the departures of Collins or Finley. Both should be starting yet today.

While any year is relevant, a GM can really be judged only over time. I don't see any significant differences in the performances of Wolf and Thompson.

There have been threads like this on every forum I post on since the last game and IMO these are massive over-reactions to an off year offensively. Hell, we are in the playoffs with an opportunity to right the ship and make some noise. I suspect a lot of this angst is because we all had high expectations last summer. It is puzzling to see Aaron play like an average QB instead of his otherworldly self. If we can shore up just a couple of positions this offseason we'll be back in the hunt again in 2016 and in a stronger position than we are this year.