Is there a rift between Rodgers and McCarthy?

[RonWolfGOAT]

1. These comments from Josh Sitton seem to suggest there is:

Starts around the 5:45 mark

http://media.1057fmthefan.com/a/112314288/01-05-15-josh-sitton-on-the-big-show.htm

2. On Inside the NFL, Esaison said that if the Packers get beat badly on Sunday, McCarthy will be gone. (Sorry, don't have a link, it was on TV)

3. Chmura on his radio show said that McCarthy and Rodgers aren't on speaking terms right now.

[pbmax]

Offense running at less than usual capacity (by a striking amount) and opinions differ about how to fix it?

Color me shocked.

[Maxie the Taxi]

1. These comments from Josh Sitton seem to suggest there is:

Starts around the 5:45 mark

http://media.1057fmthefan.com/a/112314288/01-05-15-josh-sitton-on-the-big-show.htm

2. On Inside the NFL, Esaison said that if the Packers get beat badly on Sunday, McCarthy will be gone. (Sorry, don't have a link, it was on TV)

3. Chmura on his radio show said that McCarthy and Rodgers aren't on speaking terms right now.

For weeks now my brother has been insisting this is the case. If #3 is correct, it would be news and might stem from Stubby's inept handling of the Clements play-calling experiment.

A disappointing way to piss away a season.

[mraynrand]

2. Not a chance. What is Esiason's source?
3. They have to talk during game planning meetings. What is Chumura's Source?

[Maxie the Taxi]

2. Not a chance. What is Esiason's source?
3. They have to talk during game planning meetings. What is Chumura's Source?

Boomer's source is a guy he met in a bar who knew another guy who heard it from a former neighbor of Jim Taylor.

Chumura's source is a teenage girl he met in a hot tub.

[texaspackerbacker]

Maybe it has something to do with McCarthy's almost manic push toward a run first approach - a wrongheaded idea IMO. Replacing Clement could be construed as a slap at Rodgers - who Clement supposedly gave more leeway to. I wouldn't be opposed to a lot of run plays if we had a decent O Line, but as it is, runs into the line are mostly wasted plays that basically put more pressure on the QB to pass on 2nd or 3rd and long. pass pass pass pass - 5 to 10 times, then run rarely as a change of pace - that's the way to go. You can have variety just by different types of pass plays. We have had crappy O Line play for years now, and for the most part, Rodgers can escape and pass with success anyway.

[mraynrand]

pass pass pass pass - 5 to 10 times, then run rarely as a change of pace - that's the way to go. You can have variety just by different types of pass plays. We have had crappy O Line play for years now, and for the most part, Rodgers can escape and pass with success anyway.

Except when he can't and is sacked 5-10 times per game. I suppose Rodgers could be pissed at Stubby for the run-heavy offense, because Rodgers enjoys getting the shit kicked out of him with backup tackles, but somehow I suspect not. Especially since Rodgers is even more reticent to run himself lately. Maybe he is protecting his photographic memory for the long term. Couldn't say I blame him, but that runs totally counter to hating Stubby for calling more runs.

[pbmax]

2. Not a chance. What is Esiason's source?
3. They have to talk during game planning meetings. What is Chumura's Source?

Time to call for refrigerator delivery and some inside info. Put a small red flag in a potted plant on your stoop.

[mraynrand]

Time to call for refrigerator delivery and some inside info. Put a small red flag in a potted plant on your stoop.

There are only so many appliances you can buy in a year - and only so many appliance delivery guys who know players on the team. It really is an exclusive community, but they do like to talk when given the chance.

[texaspackerbacker]

Except when he can't and is sacked 5-10 times per game. I suppose Rodgers could be pissed at Stubby for the run-heavy offense, because Rodgers enjoys getting the shit kicked out of him with backup tackles, but somehow I suspect not. Especially since Rodgers is even more reticent to run himself lately. Maybe he is protecting his photographic memory for the long term. Couldn't say I blame him, but that runs totally counter to hating Stubby for calling more runs.

Yeah, but passing on early downs makes the sacks less likely. Also, the Arizona game was a bit of an aberration. Most of the time, Rodgers avoids the sacks against other teams. Last week when we FINALLY went pass first late in the game - even when it was expected because of the score, things went a LOT better. It's a damn shame it took necessity and about 3 quarters for McCarthy to come to that conclusion.

Relating to this possible conflict between McCarthy and Rodgers, I suspect that somebody, maybe McCarthy, is stupidly telling Rodgers (just like some people in forums) to not be so cautious and throw it into traffic sometimes. If I was Rodgers, that would piss me off.

[Bossman641]

Yeah, but passing on early downs makes the sacks less likely. Also, the Arizona game was a bit of an aberration. Most of the time, Rodgers avoids the sacks against other teams. Last week when we FINALLY went pass first late in the game - even when it was expected because of the score, things went a LOT better. It's a damn shame it took necessity and about 3 quarters for McCarthy to come to that conclusion.

Relating to this possible conflict between McCarthy and Rodgers, I suspect that somebody, maybe McCarthy, is stupidly telling Rodgers (just like some people in forums) to not be so cautious and throw it into traffic sometimes. If I was Rodgers, that would piss me off.

Rodgers has been sacked 46 times this year, the third highest in the league. He has been under duress on 33% of dropbacks, the 5th highest in the league.

The passing offense has looked good late in the game a few times.....Sunday vs Minn, at Carolina. The common denominator is that we were down 2+ scores in those cases.

The offense's best chance to succeed is to go run heavy. If Rodgers is pissed they aren't passing more then he's an idiot.

[Joemailman]

I think it goes back to last year's NFCCG. Rodgers was clearly upset that MM took the ball out of his hands on the last possession. I think it's carried over to this year. I don't know how much it's contributed to this year's poor offensive performance, but you'd like for the coach and QB to be on the same page.

[pbmax]

I think this is one part of the disconnect. Offensive lineman always think the answer is running the ball.

Sitton calls for 30 combined rushing attempts for Lacy, Starks

"Obviously, some games dictate otherwise," Sitton said. "I think to be successful we've got to be able to do that."

But it begs the question of playing from behind. You don't get to 30 carries unless you have a lead late, which they have not had. And for most of the year, they have really struggled to run the ball. Starks has been better than Lacy in all but maybe 2 games. The line hasn't been dominant in run blocking since Barclay and Bach were rookies.

So again we have public comments from a team with a struggling offense that differs in what direction they should point to shake off the disappointment. But none of their options are game changers. They need to play error free on offense, both from turnovers and penalties to keep drives alive.

[denverYooper]

They might get to 30 carries more often if the OL could knock a DL off the ball on 3rd and short once in a while.

[denverYooper]

I think this is one part of the disconnect. Offensive lineman always think the answer is running the ball.

Sitton calls for 30 combined rushing attempts for Lacy, Starks



But it begs the question of playing from behind. You don't get to 30 carries unless you have a lead late, which they have not had. And for most of the year, they have really struggled to run the ball. Starks has been better than Lacy in all but maybe 2 games. The line hasn't been dominant in run blocking since Barclay and Bach were rookies.

So again we have public comments from a team with a struggling offense that differs in what direction they should point to shake off the disappointment. But none of their options are game changers. They need to play error free on offense, both from turnovers and penalties to keep drives alive.

I heard Rodgers is pissed at the OL because Sitton wants to take the ball out of his hands.