Is there a rift between Rodgers and McCarthy?

[texaspackerbacker]

Rodgers has been sacked 46 times this year, the third highest in the league. He has been under duress on 33% of dropbacks, the 5th highest in the league.

The passing offense has looked good late in the game a few times.....Sunday vs Minn, at Carolina. The common denominator is that we were down 2+ scores in those cases.

The offense's best chance to succeed is to go run heavy. If Rodgers is pissed they aren't passing more then he's an idiot.

Right facts, wrong conclusion. think about it, we were able to pass effectively even 2+ score down - desperation time when everybody expected passes. So why would you say we should go back to what got us in those holes in the first place? Pass early; Pass often. I think Rodgers knows that and can't stand the tight leash on him. One of the commentators said last week, they are treating him like he's a second year QB.

I haven't said a bad word about McCarthy up to now, but if we are gonna salvage much of anything this season and get back to the top or near it next season, he will either have to go back to what put the Packers on top before - a pass first attack or just get the hell outta town.

[pbmax]

Right facts, wrong conclusion. think about it, we were able to pass effectively even 2+ score down - desperation time when everybody expected passes. So why would you say we should go back to what got us in those holes in the first place? Pass early; Pass often. I think Rodgers knows that and can't stand the tight leash on him. One of the commentators said last week, they are treating him like he's a second year QB.

I haven't said a bad word about McCarthy up to now, but if we are gonna salvage much of anything this season and get back to the top or near it next season, he will either have to go back to what put the Packers on top before - a pass first attack or just get the hell outta town.

But how much of that is Defenses playing back and trying to bleed clock? Allowing the Packers to continue drives with pass plays where previously they were coming after him with pressure, trying to get the ball out early while they are in press coverage?

I agree that the run game, no matter what Sitton says, is not going to rush successfully enough to sustain enough drives to score an acceptable number of points.

But I think pass wacky represents a real risk to this version of the team. This limited, they need to be balanced. At least balanced enough that play action or pistol gives them an edge they can exploit in the pass game.

[mraynrand]

Packer had to run before to get teams out of 2-high safety. Now they need to run to get teams cheating up to stop the run. But that's still not enough, because the Packers almost need 2TE to run. So one answer is a passing game out of the run formation featuring two tight ends, featuring Rodgers and Q.

[pbmax]

Packer had to run before to get teams out of 2-high safety. Now they need to run to get teams cheating up to stop the run. But that's still not enough, because the Packers almost need 2TE to run. So one answer is a passing game out of the run formation featuring two tight ends, featuring Rodgers and Q.

I feel like there is a rift between us.

[Bossman641]

Right facts, wrong conclusion. think about it, we were able to pass effectively even 2+ score down - desperation time when everybody expected passes. So why would you say we should go back to what got us in those holes in the first place? Pass early; Pass often. I think Rodgers knows that and can't stand the tight leash on him. One of the commentators said last week, they are treating him like he's a second year QB.

I haven't said a bad word about McCarthy up to now, but if we are gonna salvage much of anything this season and get back to the top or near it next season, he will either have to go back to what put the Packers on top before - a pass first attack or just get the hell outta town.

They were able to pass effectively in those games because the D called off the hounds and sat back in a prevent. We've seen it happen 100 times from the reverse vantage point....Packers would get up big, defense would give up big yards in the 4th and a few scores, everyone would complain how MM and Capers weren't aggressive enough.

Even in those games where we have thrown effectively late, they still haven't been able to punch it in when it matters.

[pbmax]

Packer had to run before to get teams out of 2-high safety. Now they need to run to get teams cheating up to stop the run. But that's still not enough, because the Packers almost need 2TE to run. So one answer is a passing game out of the run formation featuring two tight ends, featuring Rodgers and Q.

In many ways this year this would be ideal. But we have hope to see this before, a run pass balance in 2 TE sets. I just haven't seen them pass out of it successfully unless Cobb or Monty was in the backfield.

[MadScientist]

Packer had to run before to get teams out of 2-high safety. Now they need to run to get teams cheating up to stop the run. But that's still not enough, because the Packers almost need 2TE to run. So one answer is a passing game out of the run formation featuring two tight ends, featuring Rodgers and Q.

This would be a great formation if the Packers had 2 dual-purpose (block and catch) TE's. Unfortunately the roster only has of no-purpose TE's.

[Maxie the Taxi]

This would be a great formation if the Packers had 2 dual-purpose (block and catch) TE's. Unfortunately the roster only has of no-purpose TE's.

LOL

[mraynrand]

This would be a great formation if the Packers had 2 dual-purpose (block and catch) TE's. Unfortunately the roster only has of no-purpose TE's.

Rodgers seems able to catch most everything thrown to him. But he can't break a tackle. The solution would be to run him upfield 5-15 yards, settle down and catch passes thrown high to him. Q can block and catch marginally well. Rodgers struggles to run block but seems to be improving. The throws to the TEs might loosen up the man coverage, or at least the double teaming of Cobb, and might prevent a safety from just cheating at the line all the time. Still, none of this works if the O-line can't block, and that's been the biggest trouble of late with all the injuries.

[mraynrand]

Unfortunately the roster only has of no-purpose TE's.

Too bad the Fat Man has been hurt as well. I was predicting great things for him late in the season.

[woodbuck27]

Boomer's source is a guy he met in a bar who knew another guy who heard it from a former neighbor of Jim Taylor.

Chumura's source is a teenage girl he met in a hot tub.

Well then ..that's the end of MM.

I've always known that a lot of good thing result from things coming up in hot tubs.

[woodbuck27]

They might get to 30 carries more often if the OL could knock a DL off the ball on 3rd and short once in a while.

Other season's we screamed about MM for NOT running the ball ,or especially after he established that run in the first half and that almost disappeared in the second half.

What did AR have to do in the past... with MM turning over to go all pass happy 'O' and almost neglecting the rush?

MM has been trying more running plays.

That reduces ARod's perceived STAR power. That then piss's ARod off.

MM obviously see's something wrong with ARod in practise....otherwise why game plan on 'O' and uncharacteristically a more balance both half's rushing attack.

We'll soon learn that MM and ARod are really close...that what we see we don't see.

What I want to see is for ARod to show more genuine leadership during games ...to stop with all the silly ass facial expressions.

To get the ball on the money to his WR's on realistic routes. Not for the offensive genius whomever to imagine that Jordy Nelson is replaceable with the rag tag WR's that TT has supplied to MM.

If there's a rift bhetween MM and AROd. It's up to TT to settle that like as soon as that started.

My goodness: This is me standing up 'FOR MM'.

The Green Bay Packers need a new name and image based in TRUTH.

In suggest this name is very appropriate:

The GREEN BAY PROCRASTINATORS.

It takes what seems like forever for TT to take the fricken' calf by the horns and flip it. He's always ....always has been ...........asleep at the wheel.

[mraynrand]

Well then ..that's the end of MM.

What I want to see is for ARod to show more genuine leadership during games ...to stop with all the silly ass facial expressions..

You like big butts and you cannot lie

[Fritz]

Well then ..that's the end of MM.

I've always known that a lot of good thing result from things coming up in hot tubs.

That's what your mother said.

[pbmax]

Bump.

See OP, http://packerrats.com/showthread.php...l=1#post867992

for Sitton being pretty vanilla in describing a rift on a dysfunctional offense.