More Banjo: Division Playoffs @ Cardinals

[Pugger]

Bullshit.

So if we went for 2 and missed you wouldn't have been pissed? Riiight.

[Maxie the Taxi]

I bet everybody who's saying now that Stubby did the right thing by kicking the extra point would be applauding and saying he's a genius if he had gone for two and made it.

Bump. If we're going to be silly, it works both ways.

[mraynrand]

Bump. If we're going to be silly, it works both ways.

yep. People would have been complementing his big brass....

[esoxx]

yep. People would have been complementing his big brass....

Stubby?

[Smidgeon]

Maybe not get a new QB yet:

Vincent Verhei @FO_VVerhei 40m40 minutes ago North Bend, WA
Seriously. Just take in everything about this image and remember: this game went to overtime.

Just watched the game, and even knowing the ending ahead of time (thanks to my girlfriend's nephew who loves to spoil everything), at that moment, I still couldn't believe the game went into overtime.

It truly is remarkable.

[Smidgeon]

I'm disappointed it didn't end well for the Packers, but I have to respect Fitz.

He's been the face of the Cardinals for a long time and he put that team on his back at the end of the game. It was 2 HOF players trading plays at the end. Crazy.

Yeah, he definitely pushes off with the best of them.

[woodbuck27]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/undefined

Aaron Rodgers' Hail Mary forces OT; Cards win on Larry Fitzgerald TD


** " On the first play of overtime, Carson Palmer spun away from a defender and threw across his body to an uncovered Larry Fitzgerald. Fitzgerald darted through tacklers for 75 yards as the screaming Cardinals fans finally drowned out the visiting Cheeseheads. He was tackled at the 5. On the next play, Palmer shoveled the ball to Fitzgerald who ran it in to give the Cardinals a 26-20 victory over the Packers Saturday night. "

** Fitzgerald caught eight passes for 176 yards.

** It can't be any crazier than this one, which unfolded on the same field where the Cardinals beat the Packers in overtime 51-45 in a wild-card game in the 2009 season and [B]where Arizona routed Green Bay 38-8 three weeks ago.

"Losing in that fashion, especially with the offense pulling that out, another Hail Mary, is unbelievable ," Clay Matthews

" The Packers, already without wide receiver Davonte Adams, lost Randall Cobb in the first quarter to a chest injury. James Jones was neutralized most of the game with Peterson on him, forcing Rodgers to go to Janis, who had seven catches, five more than he had all year. "

Comment woodbuck27: Again we observed MM tighten up and play for OT. Risk losing control to a coin toss etc... when it was right there in his grasp...squeeze the trigger Packer (ahhhh ....HEAD Coach and play caller....make that call)Mike Mc Carthy ...your holding the gun Mike' ......make the obvious aggressive call when their reeling as a defense in SHOCK that Aaron Rodgers managed to hit Jeff Janis for 'only six'. and just a tied game.

TWO Mike...Two More Points and:

There's no more Larry Fitzerasld and NO Packer players again ..........NOT able to cover him

AND that fact of that game:

Was clearly evident and previously in that game.

MM like a good magician's disappearing act would have by going for two (2) points after the Hail Mary pass completion erased any negative future and that game. He elected to give Packer Nation as he seems to repeat over and over.... a NO CALL approach when HE SIMPLY HAD ALL THE POWER TO WIN THAT GAME.

MM didn't have to again and continue to fail make any adjustment RE: the outstanding and clearly then evident skilled Arizona Cardinals WR Larry FitzGerald.

We saw MM BLOW IT AGAIN ! We'll more than likely SEE MM blown it another time...and it just keeps on a truckin'.

"It comes down to a coin flip sometimes after a long hard-fought game," Rodgers said. "Back and forth, bizarre plays made by both teams, and unfortunately it comes down to that." Aaron Rodgers

** RE: the successful Hail Mary:

"I didn't know where anybody was really," Rodgers said. "I saw Jeff briefly, and I just tried to put some air on it to give him a chance." Aaron Rodgers

Incredible Aaron. woodbuck27

Arizona won the overtime coin toss after the referee declared the first toss hadn't flipped. On the first play, no one was covering Fitzgerald, who caught a pass from Palmer and ran to the 5-yard line. "

no one was covering Fitzgerald ...no one was covering Fitzgerald.....no one was covering Fitzgerald.............. ..........woodbuck27

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

So if we went for 2 and missed you wouldn't have been pissed? Riiight.

Not me. I still feel the time was as right as it gets for the 2 point try. You just completed 2 miracle passes to get the touchdown, keep riding that donkey....

[mraynrand]

Not me. I still feel the time was as right as it gets for the 2 point try. You just completed 2 miracle passes to get the touchdown, keep riding that donkey....

I admit it, I would have been pissed - about missing it - but not about trying it. My thinking was that the defense was gassed and the offense wasn't able to consistently move the ball in the second half. One play from the 2 to win or lose versus: 1) getting the toss 2) driving the field and getting a TD or 3) getting a FG and then 4) stopping AZ from a FG and/or TD.

Go with the one play from the 2. Put the ball in the hands of your best player and go for it (well, better put the ball in the hands of Rodgers, Daniels would look kinda silly at QB)

[Maxie the Taxi]

I admit it, I would have been pissed - about missing it - but not about trying it. My thinking was that the defense was gassed and the offense wasn't able to consistently move the ball in the second half. One play from the 2 to win or lose versus: 1) getting the toss 2) driving the field and getting a TD or 3) getting a FG and then 4) stopping AZ from a FG and/or TD.

Go with the one play from the 2. Put the ball in the hands of your best player and go for it (well, better put the ball in the hands of Rodgers, Daniels would look kinda silly at QB)

Well said. I thought the exact same thing. In addition, I was thinking that Stubby must have a two-point conversion play in his back pocket saved up for this exact situation. I can't believe he doesn't. I bet teams regularly practice such plays. Yet he didn't use it. (Remember the fake extra point or field goal play he ran a year or so ago with Tom Crabtree?)

[mraynrand]

Well said. I thought the exact same thing. In addition, I was thinking that Stubby must have a two-point conversion play in his back pocket saved up for this exact situation. I can't believe he doesn't. I bet teams regularly practice such plays. Yet he didn't use it. (Remember the fake extra point or field goal play he ran a year or so ago with Tom Crabtree?)

This reminds me of my one complaint with the new extra point system - the old way, you could fake it from the one yard line, now if you want to run a fake, you have to go 15 yards (or is it 17?). Much worse odds for the fake.

Still, the Packers were pretty good on 2 pointers this year....

I woulda lined up in a tight run heavy formation with Raji out there then, when AZ calls the time out, go five wide (Jones, Janis, Abby, Rodgers, Perillo) and Rodgers has his choice or run it in.

[pbmax]

Rand and Maxie might be happy to note that I have come around on the 2 point call and agree now that it was probably the wiser course of action.

Part of what turned me around was the dismissal of this suggestion by Tom Oates who said, paraphrasing:

For those suggesting a 2 point conversion, have you watched the Packers offense this year?

So don't trust an offense that was 5 of 6 in 2 point conversions, but trust the offense to drive from their 25 to the opponents 35 (50 yards) for a FG or 75 yard touchdown drive after a desultory second half performance. Does he really expect a third Hail Mary?

[Maxie the Taxi]

This reminds me of my one complaint with the new extra point system - the old way, you could fake it from the one yard line, now if you want to run a fake, you have to go 15 yards (or is it 17?). Much worse odds for the fake.

Still, the Packers were pretty good on 2 pointers this year....

I woulda lined up in a tight run heavy formation with Raji out there then, when AZ calls the time out, go five wide (Jones, Janis, Abby, Rodgers, Perillo) and Rodgers has his choice or run it in.

Yup. The longer Extra Point only adds more surprise to the fake and more chance of success. In the fake I remember Crabtree was so open he could have run 50 yards and still made it.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Rand and Maxie might be happy to note that I have come around on the 2 point call and agree now that it was probably the wiser course of action.

Part of what turned me around was the dismissal of this suggestion by Tom Oates who said, paraphrasing:



So don't trust an offense that was 5 of 6 in 2 point conversions, but trust the offense to drive from their 25 to the opponents 35 (50 yards) for a FG or 75 yard touchdown drive after a desultory second half performance. Does he really expect a third Hail Mary?

Congrats. You put your finger on the fatal contradiction.

[Joemailman]

Interesting situation. Packers were poor all year on 3rd down and 2 or less, yet they were 5 of 6 on 2 point conversions. Did MM approach the two situations differently? Going for 2 never occurred to me at the time, but I can see the argument for going for 2.