Will Jeff Janis be a *thing* next year?

[Guiness]

Abbrederis was signed for week 4, after Adams got hurt in the third game. Jones had a hamstring problem at the same time, and Cobb was still hurting from his preseason injury. Montgomery got hurt three weeks after Abbrederis was signed. The point is, from week 4 when Abbrederis was signed through week 15 after which Montgomery was put on IR, for 12 weeks they carried 6 WRs on the 53 man roster. No reason they can't from week 1.

There doesn't seem to be any reason they can't...but they don't. At least not so far, maybe Janis will be the reason they do.

[Patler]

There doesn't seem to be any reason they can't...but they don't. At least not so far, maybe Janis will be the reason they do.

I don't get the hangup with #s on week 1? The numbers kept at different positions is very fluid. They've carried anywhere from 1 to 3 fullbacks in week 1; any where from 8 to 10 offensive linemen; from a few to a lot of LBs, DBs or DLs. Carrying 5 WRs has been "standard" for a while, carrying another one in week 1 isn't much of a step, especially after carrying 6 for most of 2015.

[Guiness]

I don't get the hangup with #s on week 1? The numbers kept at different positions is very fluid. They've carried anywhere from 1 to 3 fullbacks in week 1; any where from 8 to 10 offensive linemen; from a few to a lot of LBs, DBs or DLs. Carrying 5 WRs has been "standard" for a while, carrying another one in week 1 isn't much of a step, especially after carrying 6 for most of 2015.

No hangup, just seems like every year it looks like they've got some good WRs they can't possibly let go, but they always get it down to five. I was wondering when the last time they carried more into the season though, and didn't have far to look - in 2012 there are 7 WRs listed on the final roster(!) and 7 OL (!!). In 2011 there were 6 WRs. Maybe we will see it again this year.

[Joemailman]

When you consider that Janis is your #1 ST player, Abby is your #2 punt returner, and Cobb and Monty both help out in the backfield, I don't think 6 is unlikely at all. Pack used to keep an extra DB because Bush was a premier ST player.

[King Friday]

When you consider that Janis is your #1 ST player, Abby is your #2 punt returner, and Cobb and Monty both help out in the backfield, I don't think 6 is unlikely at all. Pack used to keep an extra DB because Bush was a premier ST player.

Toss in that we will only be a few months removed from having just 3 healthy WRs to utilize during a playoff game, and keeping 6 WRs next year is a no-brainer. Janis is almost a lock to make the team due to his special teams acumen alone.

I would really love to see us have some packages where Janis and Jordy are out wide, Cobb/Abby in the slot, and with a capable young TE to attack between the hashes. That would put an end to defenses rolling up on us real quick.

[Smidgeon]

the draft and any decent free agents will be long gone by the time we figure out if jordy is back to 100% or not

Not sure that's true. If Jordy's already running (considering he injured his knee in the preseason), by April, they might have an idea of his speed, though probably not his cutting and burst.

Maybe not by free agency though.

[Smidgeon]

Janis will have a shot for an expanded role next year, though it's hard to see him higher than #4 until at least 2017.

They'll work up a package of plays for him and if he really works on his detail this offseason, he'll be like George and Weezy.

Yep. Not next year, but the year after.

[Smidgeon]

Well, speed and quickness get used interchangeably sometimes. Ted does like 10 yard quickness at several positions, but his WR corp if full of guys who do not have it.

Janis might but is undisciplined in his routes. Cobb SHOULD be able to be open immediately but it doesn't happen. Nelson, Jones and Adams all take a long time to get moving. Abby and only are the two that stand out in this area. So they could use another one, or even better, Adams and Janis to get much better at getting into and out of routes.

But they also could use speed deep. One reason teams liked man versus the Pack was that a single high safety wan't going to be put in an impossible position very often with the Packers deep speed limited to non speedsters Jones/Adams and the somewhat unreliable (and infrequently repped) Janis. A field stretching TE would help too.

Didn't Janis have an insane 3 cone? He should have great change of direction.

[Smidgeon]

When you consider that Janis is your #1 ST player, Abby is your #2 punt returner, and Cobb and Monty both help out in the backfield, I don't think 6 is unlikely at all. Pack used to keep an extra DB because Bush was a premier ST player.

Abby is #4 PR, I thought, after Hyde, Cobb, Montgomery.

[Joemailman]

Abby is #4 PR, I thought, after Hyde, Cobb, Montgomery.

Not really sure. Hyde is #1. Cobb returned 4 although those might have been when Abby was hurt. Monty was returning K.O.'s before he got hurt. He didn't return any punts. I wouldn't be surprised to see Abby be #2. Cobb has more value to the offense, and hasn't done anything special returning punts since his rookie year.

[woodbuck27]

Aaron Rodgers was not a reliable QB. For Janis to succeed, Rodgers needs to earn Janis's trust.

Do you know on an individual one to one basis and getting to know and respect another your post isn't inaccurate Harlan.

People or an individual judges another's value 'to the group' or oneself ....based on 2 criteria upon first meeting.

It's just like an interview for any job. You have to make that first acceptable right impression. It's got to all about time and that to the point of being simply STUPID.

That first encounter...be cautious...pucker up your asshole.

Screw that up and the relationship may go off the tracks forever. Why is that generally the case? I believe that's so because too many need to fit into 'the GROUP' and feel accepted as one of that group or some people are simply too damn selfish and all caught up in their pathetic unremitting ego drives.

This is no place for amateur psycology hour. Yet all the same I wrote it and I DO CARE...I've always been....the Teacher and Leader.

Focusing on WER Jeff Janis or substitute another ie Ty Montgomery and Jared Abbrederis in the same file:

WR Jared Abbrederis or affectionately here called Abby by well....the Group. He's Mr. Jared Abbrederis to this poster and as a member of Packer Nation I expect that he has and will gives his all BECAUSE he's treated properly so we see the absolute BEST from him and Green Bay Packers.....and winning the Super Bowl.

I'll submit this to support your post Harlan and it's what I've learned is the case over my lifetime:

People assess us all very quickly. It might go down inside of 10 seconds. They might at first hand reject you based on any number of initial observations: ie .....your face...ethnicity.... name.....skin color and all that detail cast aside because yur real Waspish.... People ask themselves two questions regarding any other....Powerful or not. •Can I trust this person?


A) Can I TRUST this person; and that is certainly of primary importance before getting down to the real nitty gritty and:

B) Can I RESPECT this person?

If your the type that needs others and must feel accepted you'll most liokely also be a clickish ass kissing ...follower and therefore miss out on any real potential genius you nay otherwise culyivate b y thinking for yourself for the bettern >>> BEST way. I realize the meritsn in 'GROUP THINK'. Yet I also know this :

In any group theren is the ultimate mind and personality that leads to then BEST results.

I never was able to dig...stale 'stuck in the mud and going no where ...too slow' (as getting there too fast reveals too much that may be cause for a proper intervention and up setting of the OLD and replaced by the better idea for a hopeful future ...THE NEW....or that then status quo is the way.

If you get that which I've written here...... you'll get who I am here.

If I was in Aaron Rodgers place. Dealing with Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson would certainly offer me the most outstanding challenge. Aaron Rodgers had to wait to find his special (whatever that really is relationship with .;..going back to his beginning as a Packer...and Brett Favre...and he absolutely admired Favre as the QB in the NFL he identified as having such outstanding qualities. I've always felt you\'d have to be frozen in your own time not to see the greatness in Favre.

Therein lies the rub. Aaron isn't Brett. Aaron isn't Mike Mccarthy and unless those two Packers are totally on the same page and correctly so in terms of offering the BEST hope for Packer Nation and Super Bowl.

The whole thing is used wash water. . . . days and more days old and stinking up the joint in it's negative and mostly useless reality. That meaning NOT a ghost of a chance and this present set of Management and HC and his staff and the Packer roster actually being truly strong enough to defeat all the other NFL teams and what they have in place to in TRUTH and REALITY ... BE...a contender for the Super Bowl.

I'm never going to be pleased with anything less than seeing the real potential to win a Super Bowl.

Anything less than that measns I want change. MM and TT have been in place since what 2006. Are we seeing MM grow?

Does MM have anything to do with new blood and the XERY BEST way to bring that lifeblood to the team productively and Super Bowl? Specifically and this thread:

Did MM treat Jeff Janis ( Ty Montgomery; Jared Abbrederis ) with the very BEST and TRUST AND RESPECT or did MM Pigeon Hole or in any manner HOLD Janis ...any new Packer back by just the way he designs his off season program and all of his practise sessions pre and in season?

[deake]

The question is which one will be injured, or how many will be on IR rather than will they carry six?

[mraynrand]

That first encounter...be cautious...pucker up your asshole.

You were responding to Harlan, but this is always good advice.

[pbmax]

Didn't Janis have an insane 3 cone? He should have great change of direction.

He probably does, but it can't help you on the field when you round your cuts in a route.

But Patler's point about his effect on the game is well worth remembering. Even with all the tiny things he does wrong, he still makes plays. They have to find room for him. He is just that kind of rare athletic freak.

[mraynrand]

He probably does, but it can't help you on the field when you round your cuts in a route.

But Patler's point about his effect on the game is well worth remembering. Even with all the tiny things he does wrong, he still makes plays. They have to find room for him. He is just that kind of rare athletic freak.

To you they seem tiny, but to Rodgers, that's at least 11.1376 QBR points over the span of a season!