Packers coach Mike McCarthy: Going for two 'wasn't the right option'.

[Scott Campbell]

I respect your right to feel as you do.

Going my way might have led to victory.

Going his way...that you agrees with >>> led to >>> a defeat.

Ok genius. Nice 20/20 hindsight.

So what about the time after the 2007 NFCCG that you guaranteed that Ted and Mike would NEVER sniff another NFCCG?

Your PermaTard status is never getting revoked after that gem.

[yetisnowman]

I would have gone for two. In fact I believe it was a brilliant young coach Scott Campbell who once said "Then run it, and let's get the hell out of here." Or maybe that was some other dude. I forget. But I digress.

That was a game you're trying to steal. You should take your chances on winning at the end of regulation - especially short handed.

Ice bowl qb sneak was on 3rd down though. Truly amazing how many of you guys "woulda gone for 2" , especially since we lost on the first possession of OT. Almost everyone of you was right. It's sort of mind boggling how many of you retroactively guessed correctly.

[Scott Campbell]

Ice bowl qb sneak was on 3rd down though. Truly amazing how many of you guys "woulda gone for 2" , especially since we lost on the first possession of OT. Almost everyone of you was right. It's sort of mind boggling how many of you retroactively guessed correctly.

What's mind boggling is how I sold most of my stocks 2 months ago.

[yetisnowman]

Haha^^^

[pbmax]

I make no bones about it. I came around to the go for two option after the game. So it is hindsight.

But its backed up by a lot of middle school math.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/nfl-coaches-are-getting-away-with-crimes-against-middle-school-math/

[Joemailman]

I make no bones about it. I came around to the go for two option after the game. So it is hindsight.

But its backed up by a lot of middle school math.


http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...e-school-math/

The math though doesn't fully take into account MM's stated reason for not going for 2 - the team's WR situation. Now they do mention that anything that makes the Packers weaker vs. the Cardinals hurts them more in overtime than in regulation. I would argue though that Janis' greatest strength - his speed - is negated in the congested spaces of a 2 point conversion. He is, as we saw, much more dangerous in the open field.

[pbmax]

The math though doesn't fully take into account MM's stated reason for not going for 2 - the team's WR situation. Now they do mention that anything that makes the Packers weaker vs. the Cardinals hurts them more in overtime than in regulation. I would argue though that Janis' greatest strength - his speed - is negated in the congested spaces of a 2 point conversion. He is, as we saw, much more dangerous in the open field.

Expecting another Janis Hail Mary after two of them is asking a lot and its a low percentage play regardless.

If you cannot go 2 yards with your WRs, then the odds of you going 75 yards are not better. Not to mention the mitigating factors of the coin flip and needing the D to stop a very good offense again.

I could understand the Janis issue is paramount if it was one play, possession either on the 2 or midfield, but it is most definitely not that. In fact Janis, at his size, has a lot to offer on the goal line. See his catch on the slant. Choosing the PAT was just playing to extend the game.

[Joemailman]

Expecting another Janis Hail Mary after two of them is asking a lot and its a low percentage play regardless.

If you cannot go 2 yards with your WRs, then the odds of you going 75 yards are not better. Not to mention the mitigating factors of the coin flip and needing the D to stop a very good offense again.

I could understand the Janis issue is paramount if it was one play, possession either on the 2 or midfield, but it is most definitely not that. In fact Janis, at his size, has a lot to offer on the goal line. See his catch on the slant. Choosing the PAT was just playing to extend the game.

Or maybe giving your defense, the stronger unit, the chance to set up a win. They had intercepted Palmer twice, and probably should have had a couple more.

[woodbuck27]

The math though doesn't fully take into account MM's stated reason for not going for 2 - the team's WR situation. Now they do mention that anything that makes the Packers weaker vs. the Cardinals hurts them more in overtime than in regulation. I would argue though that Janis' greatest strength - his speed - is negated in the congested spaces of a 2 point conversion. He is, as we saw, much more dangerous in the open field.

Hi Joe:

If Aaron Rodgers would simply find an eligible receiver wide open in the End Zone and having done so. Take the shot or try to hit 'that target' and forget the diagrammed play. A game situation isn't school time. It isn't at all about ..." " but ...but you were supposed to cut in or out..that's what we practised. " [B]The QB has to be instinctive and seize the moment and make it happen as it is developing.

Take the game right back to basics and .........sandlot football.

Your the QB Joe. You see a lad open. Do you throw the ball 8 yards to that fellas's left based on some pre conceived designed receiver route or do you spot and hit him for a TD?

On two occasions Aaron Rodgers played his spoiled kid act and neglected to make a rather easy throw to an open man....Jeff Janis was that man. In this case and two times and a very decent shot of adding 2 X TD = 14 Points...was...Jeff Janis. Janis...maybe a poor route runner but take that away and what do we see? I see a supremely gifted athlete who will often get you the points you need to win a game. If the QB passes the ball to him.

The Coach:

" Get that open man the pill. OK Aaron forget the way we drew that route up. If Janis is open ..throw the damn ball top him."

" Ohh Yea Aaron. All this smirking and shoulder shrugging and hands raising and head shaking.

SHOVE IT where the sun doesn't shine because it looks terrible on you. Terrible will be noticed and keep that shit up and it turns to fricken UGLY ON YOUR ASS SHIT Aaron."

I saw a good possibility for another 14 points on the board for our side if Aaron Rodgers had simply fired the ball at Jeff Janis's position when he was open..

Posters here seem to want to get all defensive and ARod. Blame poor route running and Jeff Janis as the reason for another Aaron Rodgers bad throw; or 'at least' it seems that way to me. I apologize if I'm seeing that wrong and this forum. No apology needed and Aaron Rodgers and passing. He's got some serious issues and passing mechanics. Then again isn't his fricken attitude ...his head?

"Aaron please.....try to put the ball on a pass on the receivers numbers...OK Aaron !? The numbers are on a receivers chest not his shoes."

I can't be seeing it as I do and so many not seeing the same. It's right there in front of us all.

It's got a whole lot to do with Aaron Rodgers ...way (s). Is he such a perfectionist that he'll purposefully pass on an open target and one as athletically gifted as Jeff Janis? If (a former QB) ever saw an open man. Screw the designed play in terms of where that target was supposed to be...(the designed route) .... that former QB simply would rifle the ball to that open man. That former QB...... also hit many open targets with touch pass's. If Mr. Former QB had a Jeff Janis on his side. A Packer with Janis's gifts he would eat that up. That former QB would (what was his name....ohh yea...Brett Favre) he'd simply....tell Jeff Janis.... to just get open any way he could. "Get open and I'll get the ball to you and then you catch it."

"You'd better catch that ball Jeff if you want some ink.....because I spread it around."

Aaron Rodgers wants it to be just so. If the pass he throws which must fail hitting the target because it's way off target finally ends off target. He makes some kind of shrugging jester...he shows a spoiled kid attitude. On the sand lot that sort got his fricken ass kicked. He soon learned to clean up his silly to stupid attitude. He either got the fricken message or he didn't play ball with the rest of us just normally gifted athletes.

What am I informing you of here Joe.

We (Packerrats) just a small part of Packer Nation..... should be seeing and all be suffering as I am this obvious mess before us. If I could run the Packers and I could convince a tough ass-minded all football man like a Jon Gruden to return to Green Bay. I'd FIRE both TT (if Gruden insisted on wanting a dual role) and otherwise retain Ted Thompson and MMwould be out the door in a moments notice after the debacles we've witnessed losing in the playoffs the past two years. I place the blame on Mike McCarthy. He always looks like a deer caught in the headlights. He's 'a fricken chicken shit of a man' in games that are huge for Packer Nation.

Now there is this and look bback at my criticism of Aaron Rodgers. How much of too much Aaron Rodgers is too much or a distraction to Mike McCarthy. I'm not stupid. I need better than Mike McCarthy to let him ride off to some College program.

Is it this:

Mike McCarthy cannot finish as a Packer Head Coach because he doesn't prepare his team correctly with the right all for one attitude to win.

OR Is it this:

Finally and again. Someone has to come into Green Bay and shake Aaron Rodgers out of his...it's got be just this way banana tree. Aaron Rodgers has enormous talent and potential but ...PLEASE simply be the QB that throws the fricken ball at the men who get open. Can I be any clearer in this complaint that's fully justified because it's based on .... all that we all see in games.

I'm NOT willing to wait to see the same garbage next season...the same or worse the next. The problem is before us all and clearly not a mystery.:

Short and NOT sweet:

I generally record Packer games to study later. I looked at that game again and again. Frankly just like in Seattle and this time MM and his Coaching staff had more adversity to deal with. Frankly the Green Bay Packers let this game slip away just as the team did last season in Seattle.

What does that say to you and the rest of Packerrats.?

It says to me that we have a problem that lies in heart of solid communication. When you have a QB like Aaron Rodgers and your his Head Coach. You let that horse fly...give that horse the reins but you tame down his pissy assed attitude.

[pbmax]

Or maybe giving your defense, the stronger unit, the chance to set up a win. They had intercepted Palmer twice, and probably should have had a couple more.

Again, that is a low percentage event to hope for. But I would be more worried that the Cardinals offense was solving the Packer D in the second half.

[woodbuck27]

Again, that is a low percentage event to hope for. But I would be more worried that the Cardinals offense was solving the Packer D in the second half.

Carson Palmer >>> Larry FitzGerald was clearly and screaming......`growing...... more ...ominous`.

[Pugger]

If there were going to go for 2, they should have taken 7 or 8 delay of game penalties to put the ball back at the 40 yard line or so. They would have had a decent chance of converting that.

[woodbuck27]

If there were going to go for 2, they should have taken 7 or 8 delay of game penalties to put the ball back at the 40 yard line or so. They would have had a decent chance of converting that.

As usual:

B . r . i. l. l. i. a. n. t.

[yetisnowman]

Carson Palmer >>> Larry FitzGerald was clearly and screaming......`growing...... more ...ominous`.

I will give you credit. After looking at the game thread, you were the one who clearly said go for 2 at the time the decision was being made. Doesn't mean it was an obvious decision though. Remember what occurred was a nightmare scenario. Their only touchdown since the first quarter was a fluke play.

[mraynrand]

By the way, if everyone in the League doesn't copy SkyBall with trailing receiver as their go to Hail Mary play, I will be surprised. Janis did exactly what Rich Rod did. Big body jumping into coverage while facing the QB.

I was thinking the same thing, then I thought, how many QBs can actually throw that thing and put it right in the end zone, and do that going the wrong way off their back foot. Lots of teams are just drooling about having a QB with reasonable skills and accuracy let alone insane arm strength and accuracy!