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[ThunderDan]

you people just go on being happy we win 10 games a year like our coach is

thats all packer fans seem to want anyways

Ron Rivera had 1 winning season in his first 4 years in Carolina. Should he have been kept?

[call_me_ishmael]

The point of the article is apparently anything short of the Super Bowl is failure.

I have yet to hear anyone with a plan to improve on the performance that has lead to such lofty expectations. Unless you think 10-6 happens by accident with QBs like Rodgers.

If you think that, I suggest you look at Big Ben, Rivers and Brees.

2 of these are not like the other. And the other happens to play in the most competitive division for the past several years. Rodgers, Big Ben, Brady and Peyton have higher expectations.

[ThunderDan]

2 of these are not like the other. And the other happens to play in the most competitive division for the past several years. Rodgers, Big Ben, Brady and Peyton have higher expectations.

None of those play in the NFC west.

[call_me_ishmael]

don't know, but IMO, it wouldn't take much to find better

you have a 50/50 shot at finding better, or worse imo

This is seriously insane. And that article by Florio was terrible, too. At least McGinn's piece was reasonable and factual.

[Bretsky]

The point of the article is apparently anything short of the Super Bowl is failure.

I have yet to hear anyone with a plan to improve on the performance that has lead to such lofty expectations. Unless you think 10-6 happens by accident with QBs like Rodgers.

If you think that, I suggest you look at Big Ben, Rivers and Brees.

Rodgers is/was widely considered the best player at the most important position in the NFL. He's Lebron James in football. Add a shit division to he big picture and it's fair to expect over .500 every year as long as he's surrounded by average, at best, talent. Lebron makes the playoffs; so does Rodgers. Rodgers is at another level than the players you mention above IMO. Honestly I"m surprised you'd even bring RIvers into that sentence.

[call_me_ishmael]

None of those play in the NFC west.

Bengals, Ravens and Steelers might have something to say about that. By the time Arizona was good, the niners imploded. Never more than two great teams. Bengal, Steelers and Ravens have been in a blood bath the past handful or longer years.

[pbmax]

and i'm saying if any of those clowns had been chosen to be the HC in green bay and would have gotten favre followed by rodgers, with TT and murphy as his bosses, they would still probably be employed by the packers, and i woul bet more then a few of them could have won a super bowl with the same teams mccarthy had

But even the guys with positives are a crap shoot. What did Marinelli do with the Lions offense? Its an insult to tire fires to compare them to his offenses.

Linehan (!@#!% Auto Correct!) was a competent coordinator but hasn't gotten a sniff at HC since. Who does he get to run his defense?

What do Art Shell, Eric Mangini or Herm Edwards know about putting together a passing game and developing a QB?

[ThunderDan]

Bengals, Ravens and Steelers might have something to say about that. By the time Arizona was good, the niners imploded. Never more than two great teams. Bengal, Steelers and Ravens have been in a blood bath the past handful or longer years.

I'll give you Pitt and Ravens before this year. Cin is a stumper to me. Can't do anything in the playoffs. Arizona has only had 2 losing seasons in the last 9 years (that includes two years at 8-8).

[pbmax]

Rodgers is/was widely considered the best player at the most important position in the NFL. He's Lebron James in football. Add a shit division to he big picture and it's fair to expect over .500 every year as long as he's surrounded by average, at best, talent. Lebron makes the playoffs; so does Rodgers. Rodgers is at another level than the players you mention above IMO. Honestly I"m surprised you'd even bring RIvers into that sentence.

Rivers has as much talent as any of them, even if now he is older and declining. Maybe Brees too. But each was as talented as Rodgers previously and Rivers never even had one big playoff success.

Brees had one year like Rodgers had.

No one has had it easier than the Patriots in the AFC East, unless it was the Colts in the AFC South. While it might not be the AFC North or the NFC West (now), the Packers Division has been closely contested.

[Fritz]

Belichick has now failed to win the Super Bowl 10 out of 11 years. Even though he has a great QB. How does he keep his job? They can do better.

Arizona got absolutely crushed in the NFC Championship game yesterday. My guess is that there is some kind of Bob McGinn out west there who will write an article for the local paper containing a withering criticism of the coach and the GM, who so obviously failed to get the Cards to a Super Bowl despite a Hall of Fame receiver and a Pro Bowl quarterback.

And Carson Palmer is getting old now. Time is running out in Arizona.

[Bossman641]

i just hear shopko is going to start selling those "2015 green bay packers nfl participant" t-shirts all you people have been waiting to buy up and wear proudly

I dunno about you but I've never once seen a Packers fan wear a "20XX NFC North Division Champ" shirt or hat. Maybe back in the mid 90's.

This whole argument that if you don't want McCarthy fired then you must be happy winning 10 games every year and losing in the playoffs is asinine.

[mraynrand]

At least McGinn's piece was reasonable and factual.

I'll give you factual - he generally got team records, transactions and the spelling of names right.

[mraynrand]

Rodgers is/was widely considered the best player at the most important position in the NFL. He's Lebron James in football. Add a shit division to he big picture and it's fair to expect over .500 every year as long as he's surrounded by average, at best, talent. Lebron makes the playoffs; so does Rodgers. Rodgers is at another level than the players you mention above IMO. Honestly I"m surprised you'd even bring RIvers into that sentence.

This is the same view as Red and so many others make. You treat Rodgers as though he's some kind of pre-packaged MVP, HOF QB that the Packers bought in the store and threw out on the field, as though the coaches have nothing to do with his development, the schemes he runs, The players around him, the defense on the other side, or any of the million little things that have to be assembled to make a team work. Of course he has his own drive, development and competitiveness that is necessary to his success, but there's a good chance without the Packers and Stubby, he might be just an average QB out there, maybe even an Alex Smith.

On the other hand, acknowledging the guy's talent level - and the Packer's continued success, you have the draft order effect, where the Packers, unlike other teams that drop into oblivion for a year or two or ten or twenty, don't routinely get top 5 picks - so they can pick a dominant game-changer like a Von Miller. I dunno, maybe you'd like a few of those 2-14 seasons. If so, you should enjoy watching the Browns.

[mraynrand]

^^^^

I mean, I always thought it was better to fire the coach every year you don't win the Super Bowl.

But I guess it's better to be flashy and "trying" instead of having sustained success.

Cleveland holds it's GMs and coaches accountable every year - sometimes they fire two GMs/year. That's the kind of accountability that Red wants and that leads to a Super Bowl win EVERY YEAR! YEAH!

[Patler]

Wasn't a big part of the problem this year that AR didn't play like AR? McGinn and most of his cronies have acknowledged this. Expectations for the team are based on the play of Rodgers. If the team should have a winning record because of Rodgers, is that dependent on the quality of Rodgers' (or is it "Rodgers's") performance? When he has a very "off" year, isn't it a necessary result that the team will underachieve?