Karlos Dansby wants to play for the Packers

[Bretsky]

And didn't help in the W-L column, either. He was well and truly done.

But he was cheap and worth the try. Some work (Sean Jones/Eugene Robinson/Santana Dotson)....some don't.

It's OK to swing and miss sometimes as well.

The constant debate is....should we swing at all ?

[smuggler]

TT brought in Pickett on Pickett's 2nd contract. Very Wolf-esque.

[Bretsky]

agree smuggler; Ted stepped outside his box for that one

[Fritz]

Yes, you are right then.

It's an easy comparison. Ron Wolf was not afraid to make the big splash in a different era. He was a lot more John Elway and Mike Reinfeldt than Ted Thompson

Ted Thompson occasionally bargain shops in free agency. Had anybody really wanted Woodson we don't land him either.

Guys like Ron Wolf are not afraid of shooting for the moon at the risk of a season or two. TT likes stability

I don't get much of the criticism RonWolfGoat takes. Many of the points he makes, like them or agree with them or not, are accurate.

He subscribes to Ron Wolf/Elway/Reinfeldt............not the draft and develop major TT is. Sometimes TT mixed it in with a speckle of free agency but everybody know's it's not TT's forte......the press/writers/Packer fans.

Some just choose to defend him to death and some choose to criticize him for it.

If we only win one SB with Brett Favre it will be a shame

See above line.

Both methods have their advantages and disadvantages. Each method has garnered Green Bay one SB win.

[Bretsky]

How many years did each one have ?

I think Rodgers is a MUCH better QB in the playoffs due to his INT's......or lack of them.

Rodgers is a better QB IMO as well

[Patler]

Ultimately, coaches are the final factor in whether or not super bowls are won. I believe both Wolf and Thompson provided rosters capable of winning 2nd super bowls. Their head coaches didn't complete the task.

[Patler]

There is a logical disconnect in the Wolf TT debates. TT is criticized for not being more like Wolf, because he has won only one Super Bowl. Why isn't Wolf criticized for not having been more like TT because he won only one Super Bowl?

[3irty1]

Yes, you are right then.

It's an easy comparison. Ron Wolf was not afraid to make the big splash in a different era. He was a lot more John Elway and Mike Reinfeldt than Ted Thompson

Ted Thompson occasionally bargain shops in free agency. Had anybody really wanted Woodson we don't land him either.

Guys like Ron Wolf are not afraid of shooting for the moon at the risk of a season or two. TT likes stability

I don't get much of the criticism RonWolfGoat takes. Many of the points he makes, like them or agree with them or not, are accurate.

He subscribes to Ron Wolf/Elway/Reinfeldt............not the draft and develop major TT is. Sometimes TT mixed it in with a speckle of free agency but everybody know's it's not TT's forte......the press/writers/Packer fans.

Some just choose to defend him to death and some choose to criticize him for it.

If we only win one SB with Aaron Rodgers it will be a shame

Ron Wolf was GM during the advent of non plan B free agency, a completely different climate than TT or Elway have today. In the early 90's Wolf was left with favorable new rules, a huge fanbase, lots of money, large disparities in talent between rosters, and league of new mercenaries who had been missing out on market value. It was the perfect storm of golden age free agency that will likely never be seen again, and neither should Ron's tactics.

By the end of Ron's career in GB the free agency quality had MASSIVELY dried up via the vicious circle of FA economics. Players use FA as leverage to get their teams to pay, players who resign weaken the FA supply further driving up FA prices due to scarcity. This increases leverage of players to get their teams to pay, and increases teams incentives to get their own players to resign, rinse, wash, repeat until every FA is a replaceable cog at ultra premium price.

I'd say TT, Wolf, and Elway are all similar in the way that matters most... They all went all in on a QB to kick off their reign. TT and Wolf also got their coach as well because their QB was young. The difference between Elway and TT that you're using to compare Elway to Wolf is desperation. Elway had nothing to lose. He got himself an old QB and built his team to compete in a rapidly closing window. With no future to mortgage he gambled and it payed off, aided in no small part by weak competition this season.

[wist43]

Ted simply doesn't care if he fills holes in a given year or not... by his reckoning, the hole will eventually be filled; and, in TT's world, 'eventually' is good enough.

TT is sooooooooooo myopic, that I don't think it matters to him whether we win anything or not. To TT, his process IS the goal. Wins and losses are incidental.

[Patler]

Ron Wolf was GM during the advent of non plan B free agency, a completely different climate than TT or Elway have today. In the early 90's Wolf was left with favorable new rules, a huge fanbase, lots of money, large disparities in talent between rosters, and league of new mercenaries who had been missing out on market value. It was the perfect storm of golden age free agency that will likely never be seen again, and neither should Ron's tactics.

By the end of Ron's career in GB the free agency quality had MASSIVELY dried up via the vicious circle of FA economics. Players use FA as leverage to get their teams to pay, players who resign weaken the FA supply further driving up FA prices due to scarcity. This increases leverage of players to get their teams to pay, and increases teams incentives to get their own players to resign, rinse, wash, repeat until every FA is a replaceable cog at ultra premium price.

I'd say TT, Wolf, and Elway are all similar in the way that matters most... They all went all in on a QB to kick off their reign. TT and Wolf also got their coach as well because their QB was young. The difference between Elway and TT that you're using to compare Elway to Wolf is desperation. Elway had nothing to lose. He got himself an old QB and built his team to compete in a rapidly closing window. With no future to mortgage he gambled and it payed off, aided in no small part by weak competition this season.

Well said. Very few teams handled the salary cap well in the early years. Remember the June 1 magic date? The dead cap hit for players cut then could be spread over two years. Some very good players became available then. In the last few years of the rule, no players were cut. The Packers and only a few other teams handled the cap well from the start, most did poorly.

Remember, too, when Wolf retired, he said one of the frustrating things was that it had become increasingly hard to "fix" your team. He mentioned that FA was no longer the opportunity it had been, that most players were FAs for a reason, because teams mostly were able to keep the players they want to keep.

[Patler]

TT brought in Pickett on Pickett's 2nd contract. Very Wolf-esque.

agree smuggler; Ted stepped outside his box for that one

Brandon Chiller, too.

[George Cumby]

It's an OUTRAGE that the Packers don't have Pro Bowlers at every position. An OUTRAGE!

I am so tired of going through the same shit every off season. The Packers are inactive during free agency, except for the players they resign.

THEN they go to the playoffs every season. It's a complete goat fuck and is irrefutable evidence that Ted doesn't care and wants to lose.

[run pMc]

For the record, I'm not against free agency. I don't think it's successful very often, unless you're picking up role players and fortifying your roster depth. Swinging for the fences via free agency rarely works out. (See: Redskins, Dolphins, etc.) The exception might be at QB, but few good QB's hit the market. Brees and Manning come to mind, but over the last number of years, that's about it. If you guess wrong on a big signing, you can really mess up your salary cap from the standpoint of being able to keep your own, rising, and often much younger talent. If it comes down to choosing between the two, I can understand keeping your own (who knows your system and you know as well) vs. bringing in an outsider with a big contract and expectations to match.

As for Dansby, I thought he was a great player several years back, but I'm not sure he still is. It's possible. I'm also not sure he'd be willing to come to GB for a reasonable contract, given the FA spending this season and what will likely be interest from needy teams driving his asking price up. Unlike some other years, it looks like there might be some ILB talent in the draft worth exploring.

My guess is that TT has someone in the front office dip toes in the waters, but usually nothing too serious, as they prefer going the younger, cheaper route (i.e., the draft) for roster building. As others have noted he has surprised in the past (Peppers, et al.) but to expect anything major is unrealistic.

[Rutnstrut]

It's an OUTRAGE that the Packers don't have Pro Bowlers at every position. An OUTRAGE!

I am so tired of going through the same shit every off season. The Packers are inactive during free agency, except for the players they resign.

THEN they go to the playoffs every season. It's a complete goat fuck and is irrefutable evidence that Ted doesn't care and wants to lose.

Well no one is saying to go out and spend his whole wad on a bunch of paper champions. But at least sign a few solid players where needed or make an effort. He may not want to lose, but he only wants to win HIS way. Which means he doesn't mind losing. Would you want a QB that will only throw a screen pass because that is what he likes? There needs to be some flexibility and willingness to fill out the team other than the draft. TT has repeatedly shown he will just throw the same shit at the wall HOPING some of it sticks. The window of opportunity with Rodgers is closing fast, and TT is squandering it away.

[George Cumby]

He may not want to lose, but he only wants to win HIS way. Which means he doesn't mind losing.

TT has repeatedly shown he will just throw the same shit at the wall HOPING some of it sticks.

The window of opportunity with Rodgers is closing fast, and TT is squandering it away.

Point #1: Say the fuck, WHAT?

Point #2: And this is different from every other GM how?

Point #3: This sounds eerily familiar......