Another possible reason for Arod's struggles this year

[George Cumby]

^ Maybe that's what happened LAST off-season.

[mraynrand]

All that eye rolling and gesturing to the heavens makes him look like a whiny 10 year old boy.

I agree with this part

[mraynrand]

^ I don't think we need to be reminded that after offseason entrails reading surgery, QBs tend to have terrible years.

Brett Fave had sixteen feet of colon removed and then threw five TD passes the next day.

[pbmax]

Brett Fave had sixteen feet of colon removed and then threw five TD passes the next day.

His entrails said he was too numb to know better.

Mike and Vikes!

[mraynrand]

I'm pretty good at reading the entrails from jet airplanes.

[Rutnstrut]

You're judging Rodgers based on what you've seen, and haven't seen from him when he's on television. You and we are not in the clubhouse. We're not at practice. We don't really see him during the half of the game when the defense is on the field. 2 years in a row the Packers have lost a playoff game in overtime where the Packers offense didn't get to take the field in overtime because the defense couldn't make a stop. This after he had led the offense to a tying score late in the game. As frustrating as that must have been, I didn't hear one negative word from Rodgers about that. Sometimes leadership is what you DON'T do. I saw him play the NFC Title Game on 1 leg against the best defense in the NFL. That's leadership. Last year I heard him say in post-game PC's that the banged-up offensive line had played fine when in reality they hadn't played fine. He stood up there and took the heat. That's leadership. He's not perfect. Last year was a frustrating year and at times his frustration showed. That makes him less than perfect, but it's not a lack of leadership.

WHAT???? It was fine to judge Favre by what people seen and heard on TV, but not Rodgers?

[Pugger]

I actually agree with yeti here. Arod makes buku bucks. All that eye rolling and gesturing to the heavens makes him look like a whiny 10 year old boy.

And I don't care about Manning. He's an A-hole and the Broncos carried his ass this year.

Rodgers' gesturing is nothing compared to the crap we see Brady do when NE is struggling but no one questions his leadership.

[smuggler]

Rodgers' gesturing is nothing compared to the crap we see Brady do when NE is struggling but no one questions his leadership.

Pretty much. Success gives you a pass on a lot of shit in our society.

[George Cumby]

Question: Does Brady elevate the play of those around him?

Does Rodgers?

(BTW: I can't stand Brady's or Mannings antics)

[mraynrand]

WHAT???? It was fine to judge Favre by what people seen and heard on TV, but not Rodgers?

It depends on what was seen and heard, doesn't it? Looked to me like Joe was giving examples of things seen and heard that recommend well for Rodgers. Favre did things that we saw and heard that were good and things that were bad. Joe is giving evidence of good stuff from Rodgers. I suspect you will focus on the bad stuff. Either way, it's all legit.

[mraynrand]

Question: Does Brady elevate the play of those around him?

yep. He even made Terrell Buckley look good.

[pbmax]

It depends on what was seen and heard, doesn't it? Looked to me like Joe was giving examples of things seen and heard that recommend well for Rodgers. Favre did things that we saw and heard that were good and things that were bad. Joe is giving evidence of good stuff from Rodgers. I suspect you will focus on the bad stuff. Either way, it's all legit.

I actually think he meant to respond to someone else, probably me.

To save him the time of redirecting, let me say that I think questioning leadership by watching TV is a fool's errand no matter the QB. I gave the examples of other QBs to point out that there might be other factors at work than what we observe on the tube.

[Patler]

Question: Does Brady elevate the play of those around him?

Does Rodgers?

That's an interesting question. For years, QB enthralled fans have told us that first Favre, then Rodgers "made" their WRs. Many argued that really our WRs were not that good, the QBs made them.

Does anyone question that for Rodgers after 2015? Did he "make" his receivers last year, or is there evidence that without top notch receivers Rodgers' performance suffers?

[mraynrand]

I actually think he meant to respond to someone else, probably me.

To save him the time of redirecting, let me say that I think questioning leadership by watching TV is a fool's errand no matter the QB. I gave the examples of other QBs to point out that there might be other factors at work than what we observe on the tube.

I remember Cliff Cristl absolute ripping to shreds some fan in a post-game chat who made the assertion that he knew, KNEW! Favre was going to play horribly by the look on his face in pregame warmups.

And thus, Cleft Crusty was born....

[Pugger]

yep. He even made Terrell Buckley look good.

How come Brady didn't look so great without Gronk and Edelman this past season? Luckily for TB he got both of them back for the playoffs.