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  • #16
    Originally posted by Carolina_Packer View Post
    Ty Webb: [to Al Czervik] Hey, don't put yourself down. You're not, uh... you're not... you're not good. You stink.

    One of the most underrated moments of Caddyshack. Chevy Chase could deliver a line back in the day, especially in Fletch.
    You do drugs, Carolina?

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    • #17
      Originally posted by hoosier View Post
      You do drugs, Carolina?
      Everyday!
      "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." -Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Patler View Post
        OK. I would take Starks.
        Even tho Starks doesn't have the mileage most 30 year old RBs have Hillman is younger and his average yds per carry is almost the same. I wonder why he is still available.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Pugger View Post
          Even tho Starks doesn't have the mileage most 30 year old RBs have Hillman is younger and his average yds per carry is almost the same. I wonder why he is still available.
          For a smallish, fast back, his yds/carry average is mediocre at best. Yard/reception average is low. He has been a consistent fumbler. If you can bring him in on a veteran minimum salary cor a look, fine; but I wouldn't invest much in him.

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          • #20
            There are alternatives in the draft.

            TYLER ERVIN, Round 4?


            WENDELL SMALLWOOD, Round 6? (Poor video)
            One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
            John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers

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            • #21
              but can hillman catch the ball? maybe that's the attraction.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Carolina_Packer View Post
                Everyday!
                Me too to keep me moving !

                If there' a Senior not needing any drugs. That person is a rare specimen and likely homeless.
                ** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
                ** To download Jesus Loves Me ring tones, you'll need a cell phone mame
                ** If God doesn't fish, play poker or pull for " the Packers ", exactly what does HE do with his buds?
                ** Rather than love, money or fame - give me TRUTH: Henry D. Thoreau

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by gbgary View Post
                  but can hillman catch the ball? maybe that's the attraction.
                  He's sure handed, not one to fumble.

                  The thing I was thinking is that it might be delicate in terms of the Packer locker room and bringing in another RB now that TT has awarded James Starks with his new contract.
                  Last edited by woodbuck27; 04-02-2016, 03:52 PM.
                  ** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
                  ** To download Jesus Loves Me ring tones, you'll need a cell phone mame
                  ** If God doesn't fish, play poker or pull for " the Packers ", exactly what does HE do with his buds?
                  ** Rather than love, money or fame - give me TRUTH: Henry D. Thoreau

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Carolina_Packer View Post
                    Everyday!
                    Good....So what's the problem?

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by hoosier View Post
                      Good....So what's the problem?
                      I don't know!
                      "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." -Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by woodbuck27 View Post
                        He's sure handed, not one to fumble.
                        I don't think that is the case, Woodbuck. 8 fumbles in 520 touches, and consistently through his career.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Patler View Post
                          I don't think that is the case, Woodbuck. 8 fumbles in 520 touches, and consistently through his career.
                          About the same rate as James Starks.
                          "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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                          • #28
                            The average fumble rate for the top-10 rushers in the NFL last season was 88.6, which is the same as saying the running back fumbled once every 88.6 offensive touches. Anything above 140.0 fumble rate is generally considered a strong number among running backs.

                            Last year, Nebraska's Ameer Abdullah had the highest fumble rate (35.4) in the draft class and his ball security was an issue for him as a rookie with the Detroit Lions. He fumbled four times on 168 offensive touches for a fumble rate of 42.0 in 2015.

                            Below is the career fumble rate for running back prospects in the 2016 NFL Draft class, starting with the highest (worst).

                            39.9 – Kenyan Drake, Alabama
                            43.3 – Alex Collins, Arkansas
                            44.0 – Daniel Lasco, California
                            45.6 – C.J. Prosise, Notre Dame
                            61.2 – Josh Ferguson, Illinois
                            61.6 – Wendell Smallwood, West Virginia
                            63.5 – Kenneth Dixon, Louisiana Tech
                            63.8 – Tre Madden, USC
                            71.1 – Devontae Booker, Utah
                            72.0 – Jonathan Williams, Arkansas
                            104.1 – DeAndre Washington, Texas Tech
                            111.8 – Jordan Howard, Indiana
                            123.0 – Tyler Ervin, San Jose State
                            123.8 – Derrick Henry, Alabama
                            128.8 – Tra Carson, Texas A&M
                            138.5 – Keith Marshall, Georgia
                            140.4 – Paul Perkins, UCLA
                            162.5 – Ezekiel Elliott, Ohio State
                            169.7 – Aaron Green, TCU
                            Kelvin Taylor, Florida (no fumbles in college)
                            Source: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/n...k-fumble-rates
                            One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
                            John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers View Post
                              About the same rate as James Starks.
                              Huge difference between Hillman and Starks. Hillman has fumbled at a consistent rate so far in his career. On the other hand, Starks fumbled at a rate of one every 90 to 100 or so touches until the end of last year when he had four fumbles in four games, just 42 touches. I suspect there was a reason we are not aware of, or Starks just had a period in which his focus waned. If it continues, he is done. But, for his career excluding those four games he is not the fumbler Hillman has been.

                              That said, Hillman can improve, too

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                              • #30
                                well if he can catch then i'm all for it. the o needs all the help it can get. a pass catching rb can take a lot of pressure off rodgers and the other receivers be it wr or te.

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