Thompson vs. Belichick

[woodbuck27]

Depends, do I need to cheat to keep the $1,000?

Ahh I call.....sour grapes.

[Bretsky]

That brings up another question, has TT been let down more often by his head coach than Belichick the GM has been let down by his; or has MM been shortchanged more by his GM than Belichick the head coach has been by his GM?

I think TT has let MM down more than MM has let TT down

Bellichek the GM has been terrible for Belliecheck the coach

[wist43]

I agree that TT has habitually let MM down - and that's my bitch about TT, there is never a "win now" approach.

I'm all for building thru the draft, but if you are a contender and very close to getting over the top, filling a hole here and there with a moderately priced veteran makes sense. Ted would argue that it might stunt the development of a younger player - but I would argue, are we are farm team for the development of players, or are we a professional organization out to win championships??

You need to develop players from within, but not at the expense of making a push for a championship.

[Bretsky]

I agree that TT has habitually let MM down - and that's my bitch about TT, there is never a "win now" approach.

I'm all for building thru the draft, but if you are a contender and very close to getting over the top, filling a hole here and there with a moderately priced veteran makes sense. Ted would argue that it might stunt the development of a younger player - but I would argue, are we are farm team for the development of players, or are we a professional organization out to win championships??

You need to develop players from within, but not at the expense of making a push for a championship.

agree

[Patler]

I'm all for building thru the draft, but if you are a contender and very close to getting over the top, filling a hole here and there with a moderately priced veteran makes sense.

You do realize that he did exactly that both in 2014 and again this off season, don't you?

[Patler]

I think TT has let MM down more than MM has let TT down

I disagree with that because the Packers playoff performances have not been good. It takes a good GM to get a team to the playoffs. It takes a good coaching staff to achieve success in the playoffs. When I look back at the Packer playoff failures as far back as the SB loss, I see performance issues not related to roster issues.

[Pugger]

I disagree with that because the Packers playoff performances have not been good. It takes a good GM to get a team to the playoffs. It takes a good coaching staff to achieve success in the playoffs. When I look back at the Packer playoff failures as far back as the SB loss, I see performance issues not related to roster issues.

Agreed. In 2014 Ted assembled arguably the best team in the league that had a massive brain fart at the end of the NFCC game in Seattle.

[pbmax]

I am on Thompson's side. he's not been perfect, but there are substantial areas McCarthy hasn't progressed in yet. To his credit, he is still changing things up.

I also wonder if Thompson's three year draft streak is a product of the analytics he talked about adding a couple of years back.

[Patler]

Agreed. In 2014 Ted assembled arguably the best team in the league that had a massive brain fart at the end of the NFCC game in Seattle.

Yup, and if they had won that game, how much would (should) the TT criticism have changed? What if they had subsequently won the SB? Who was most responsible for losing the Seattle game, the GM or the coaching staff?

[Upnorth]

Yup, and if they had won that game, how much would (should) the TT criticism have changed? What if they had subsequently won the SB? Who was most responsible for losing the Seattle game, the GM or the coaching staff?

Great point on analyzing playoff results. 2007, excellent roster, one of the best in the league. 2009, the defense collapsed in Arizona, but excellent roster. 2011, going into 2011 we had the 2nd best scoring defense but coaches failed to adjust to the way we were being attacked. 2012 no one spied Kap, 2014 covered by Patlers comment.

MM and Capers letting down TT imo. Your point has made me increase my opinion of TT.

[woodbuck27]

I agree that TT has habitually let MM down - and that's my bitch about TT, there is never a "win now" approach.

I'm all for building thru the draft, but if you are a contender and very close to getting over the top, filling a hole here and there with a moderately priced veteran makes sense. Ted would argue that it might stunt the development of a younger player - but I would argue, are we are farm team for the development of players, or are we a professional organization out to win championships??

You need to develop players from within, but not at the expense of making a push for a championship.

You nailed it.

Sadly...TT just doesn't get that.

[wist43]

You do realize that he did exactly that both in 2014 and again this off season, don't you?

No he didn't - we've had a hole at ILB for years; in 2011 we had one of the worst defenses in league history, and some of us saw it coming, yet TT did nothing. He started trying to address the mess the next year, but didn't sign any FA's to fill holes.

This year, we don't have a lot of holes - TE was one, and TT surprisingly addressed it, but ILB is still a colossal mess. If he doesn't fill it in the draft, what are the odds he lifts a finger in FA after the draft?? The answer is, the odds are not good he will do anything.

TT's MO is well established - and he is criticized every year for it. We won one SB in TT's 11 year reign, hallelujah... we're going to end up with 2 SB's in the span of 25+ years all the while having 2 HOF QB's. That doesn't add up for me - I want more, I want better.

[Pugger]

Yup, and if they had won that game, how much would (should) the TT criticism have changed? What if they had subsequently won the SB? Who was most responsible for losing the Seattle game, the GM or the coaching staff?

I believe it was the coaching staff and the players who were to blame for that tragedy.

[mraynrand]

I agree that TT has habitually let MM down - and that's my bitch about TT, there is never a "win now" approach.

It would be nice if, just once in a while, he'd move up into the first round and grab a difference maker.

[mraynrand]

No he didn't - we've had a hole at ILB for years; in 2011 we had one of the worst defenses in league history, and some of us saw it coming, yet TT did nothing.

You should hang out in Vegas, because pretty much no one I know predicted the Collins injury or the Raji slide.