Thompson vs. Belichick

[wootah]

Sure and the sun warms the planet.

Take it to FYI.

[mraynrand]

Take it to FYI.

no, Romper Room

http://packerrats.com/showthread.php...u-reside/page2

[mraynrand]

We simply aren't built to take over games in the trenches, consistently shut down another teams offense, or consistently run the ball to take pressure off our QB. If our QB goes down, we're pretty much done.

And yet, when healthy, the defense held the #1 offense in yards and #2 in scoring to 20 points with an anemic offense. You're an interesting guy Wist. You claim to be a rational man of science, but you frequently eschew facts and logic in your analysis and rely on mostly bald assertions and emotion. weird.

[pbmax]

When Rodgers went down a few years ago, we went 2-5-1. That pretty much sums up our overall roster minus the most important player.

Ah, a fair critique, though its not about the roster as a whole as much as its about one position. Thompson and McCarthy have played it very loose with backup QBs in a couple of instances. Dueling rookies one year (Brohm and Flynn) and Graham Harrell and BJ Coleman in another.

I think Hundley might be the best backup they have had since Rodgers if his rookie year is to be believed.

[mraynrand]

I think Hundley might be the best backup they have had since Rodgers if his rookie year is to be believed.

This is a subtle point. Rodgers was a pretty damn good backup, wasn't he (See: at Dallas, 2007)?

But, having Rodgers fall to the Packers at the end of round 1 was pure luck, whereas Brady falling to the sixth round was a pure, intentional, undistilled Belichick genius move.

[pbmax]

This is a subtle point. Rodgers was a pretty damn good backup, wasn't he (See: at Dallas, 2007)?

But, having Rodgers fall to the Packers at the end of round 1 was pure luck, whereas Brady falling to the sixth round was a pure, intentional, undistilled Belichick genius move.

Yep.

Titans/Rams trade about to give us another extreme version of the need for a QB but the danger of overpaying, just as the Redskins did. You do need to grab a good one no matter what or when, but you cannot sacrifice a draft for it. Unless that guy is great and an iron man, you will hurt the rest of the team too much.

And then its a spiral, you are drafting low but are now having a hard time supporting the QBs who are available to you.

[Patler]

Sure and the sun warms the planet.

That was my point. It was not meant as a criticism of BB. Criticizing TT from the slant of "where would he be without Rodgers?" is ridiculous for a number of reasons, including:

- We have no idea what he might have done to find a different QB, because all GMs know it is the most crucial position.
- We have no idea just how any alternative to Rodgers may have functioned in GB. Just consider Flynn in GB and everywhere else that he tried to play.
- He did have the insight to take Rodgers when 22 GM's before him, including several with more urgent QB needs, did not see what Rodgers could become.
- It is difficult, if not impossible for any team to win consistently in the NFL without a top QB. (See Belichick's record as a HC without Brady.)

[mraynrand]

That was my point. It was not meant as a criticism of BB. Criticizing TT from the slant of "where would he be without Rodgers?" is ridiculous for a number of reasons, including:

- We have no idea what he might have done to find a different QB, because all GMs know it is the most crucial position.
- We have no idea just how any alternative to Rodgers may have functioned in GB. Just consider Flynn in GB and everywhere else that he tried to play.
- He did have the insight to take Rodgers when 22 GM's before him, including several with more urgent QB needs, did not see what Rodgers could become.
- It is difficult, if not impossible for any team to win consistently in the NFL without a top QB. (See Belichick's record as a HC without Brady.)

good post. And the final line suggests an addendum:

- A great QB poses the chicken and egg question: Did the QB become great because of the Coaching/team environment or because of the individual's talent? (the correct answer I believe is 'both' are necessary)

[Striker]

Other things people forget about 2013:

-The Packers also lost Bulaga, Finley and Hayward for the season, and Cobb for most of it.
-Matthews was essentially playing with one hand.

[Patler]

Other things people forget about 2013:

-Matthews was essentially playing with one hand.

...for 7 games, and missed 5 games completely. Essentially, they had Matthews as Matthews for the first 4 games, and not much more.

[pbmax]

And they should have beaten the 49ers in that playoff game.

[Patler]

And they should have beaten the 49ers in that playoff game.

That brings up another question, has TT been let down more often by his head coach than Belichick the GM has been let down by his; or has MM been shortchanged more by his GM than Belichick the head coach has been by his GM?

[Patler]

And they should have beaten the 49ers in that playoff game.

That brings up other question:
Has TT been let down more often by his head coach than Belichick the GM has been let down by his?
Has MM been shortchanged more by his GM than Belichick the head coach has been by his GM?

Comparing TT to BB is almost impossible, because BB as coach makes up for a lot of his mistakes as GM.

[woodbuck27]

Just wait until the next GM is worse than Thompson.

Fire Murphy!

The topic of this thread appears to be RE: a comparison of Ted Thompson to Bill Belichick.

Would you swap a $100.00 for a $1000.00 ?

[pbmax]

The topic of this thread appears to be RE: a comparison of Ted Thompson to Bill Belichick.

Would you swap a $100.00 for a $1000.00 ?

Depends, do I need to cheat to keep the $1,000?