RANS- NFL DRAFT- BLOCKBUSTER DEAL

[Guiness]

Well the Rams are obviously committed to the win now approach.

I don't know if I'd say that. I think they just realize there is one piece you have to have in place to be competitive - a QB. There have been a couple of instances over the past 20 years of a team winning it all with a strong defense and no elite QB, but year after year you need the pivot to be in it.

If they land that QB, they've got 10+ years of being patient ahead of them.

[Carolina_Packer]

ALSO RANS!!!

They could call themselves the Rands and their logo could be Atlas shrugging.

[ThunderDan]

The Rams gave away too many future pieces for 1 piece today.

I predict this trade makes the Titans a Super Bowl participant in 3-5 years.

[Bretsky]

IF the Rams get a franchise QB out of this some will sing a different tune to this deal in a few years.

If they get an Andy Dalton type of QB or anything less than a superstar this was most likely a bad deal.

[Carolina_Packer]

IF the Rams get a franchise QB out of this some will sing a different tune to this deal in a few years.

If they get an Andy Dalton type of QB or anything less than a superstar this was most likely a bad deal.

Funny tweet that I read after this happened was something like "Jeff Fisher finally helping the Titans win."

I agree that if they don't get a franchise QB out of this deal, then they will have failed. Worse, if it turns out that the guy they could have picked at 15 (someone like Paxton Lynch) becomes a franchise QB and the guy they moved up for is not. Worst of all, though, might be doing nothing, going 8-8 again with a good defense and running game, and possibly seeing the guy you should have gone after being "the man" for someone else.

Nobody wants to lose all those picks of course, but they considered themselves to be a franchise QB away from being a contending team, so more mediocre QB play wasn't going to cut it anymore. They needed "the man", the Titans have what they feel is "the man" and the Titans need pieces around him. It really can work for everyone, but also, I can't imagine the pressure that this might put on either Wentz or Goff.

[Fritz]

Seems like the Hershel Walker Trade

Or the Ricky Williams trade.

Or the John Hadl trade.

Stones? Yes.

Brains? Not so much. Unless, as you say, the QB they take becomes all-world.

[red]

The real question is are Wentz or Goff worth it? Assessing collegiate QBs appears to be an inexact science to be charitable. There are too many QBs to count that were good in college but sucked in the pros.

IMO no, neither guy is worth it

the titans won this deal by a landslide

horrible desperate move by the rams trying to make big headlines in LA

[yetisnowman]

What surprised me was the fact that after the trade, "sources" claimed the Rams were now deciding between Goff and Wentz. Seems like a pretty dramatic move to make without having your franchise qb pegged. Maybe it's just smokescreens. Personally, I'd be surprised if Goff wasn't the better of the two pros, but still not worth what they gave up. Great move for Tennessee.

[Freak Out]

Was Akira Kurosawa part of the deal?

[Striker]

Gamble for Snead and Fischer...but what's the worst thing that happens, him and Fisher get fired?

That's likely with the current QB grouping on their team so it makes sense...even though they paid a lot to move up.

[Carolina_Packer]

Gamble for Snead and Fischer...but what's the worst thing that happens, him and Fisher get fired?

That's likely with the current QB grouping on their team so it makes sense...even though they paid a lot to move up.

If you believe Einstein, it would be insanity for them to do the same thing (get a re-tread QB) and expect different results. By all accounts, teams that have interviewed Wentz have said he has it from the neck up in spades, in fact, they say it's not even close when it comes to the grease board vs. the other QB's in this class. Plenty of guys have it physically, but then can't handle the mental volume of info that is NFL QB. Wentz is certainly not a finished product, but if you like what you see, you have to take your chances and not wonder what might have been. As Striker said, the worst thing that could happen is you lose your job, which may be the outcome of not doing this.

You can't really compare this move to the desperation of a trade like the John Hadl trade. That was just a delusional move by Dan Devine on a team that had no shot to contend with or without Hadl. I blame the Packers leadership at the time for giving Devine the power to make that move.

The move makes some sense for both teams. One team has the man, the other team needs the man. One team has a well-developed team defense and run game, and the other team needs most everything except for QB. I think the move says a lot about what the Rams think of Wentz. Could be Goff, but less likely.

[Fritz]

If you believe Einstein, it would be insanity for them to do the same thing (get a re-tread QB) and expect different results. By all accounts, teams that have interviewed Wentz have said he has it from the neck up in spades, in fact, they say it's not even close when it comes to the grease board vs. the other QB's in this class. Plenty of guys have it physically, but then can't handle the mental volume of info that is NFL QB. Wentz is certainly not a finished product, but if you like what you see, you have to take your chances and not wonder what might have been. As Striker said, the worst thing that could happen is you lose your job, which may be the outcome of not doing this.

You can't really compare this move to the desperation of a trade like the John Hadl trade. That was just a delusional move by Dan Devine on a team that had no shot to contend with or without Hadl. I blame the Packers leadership at the time for giving Devine the power to make that move.

The move makes some sense for both teams. One team has the man, the other team needs the man. One team has a well-developed team defense and run game, and the other team needs most everything except for QB. I think the move says a lot about what the Rams think of Wentz. Could be Goff, but less likely.

I disagree with the assessment of the Packers of that time as "a team that had no shot to contend with or without Hadl." That team had been in the playoffs in, what, 1972? They lost a low-scoring game to the Redskins, and the major problem was that Scott Hunter was the Packer QB and teams could just load up in the box and stop Brockington.

It was undeniably a stupid, stupid trade, as Hadl was already on the downside of his career and the Packers gave up a shit ton of high picks. But had the Packers had a really good QB, they might well have contended.

[Guiness]

No love for Sam Bradford out there. Rams trade away the former #1 overall (and final winner of the rookie deal sweepstakes) and trade in to the #1 slot for a QB a year later, and the Eagles, his current team, are reputed to be in talks to land the #2 pick in order to get whatever QB the Rams don't take!

Explain again why the Eagles signed him for what, $16M this year?

[Carolina_Packer]

No love for Sam Bradford out there. Rams trade away the former #1 overall (and final winner of the rookie deal sweepstakes) and trade in to the #1 slot for a QB a year later, and the Eagles, his current team, are reputed to be in talks to land the #2 pick in order to get whatever QB the Rams don't take!

Explain again why the Eagles signed him for what, $16M this year?

Perhaps they consulted with Jerrah Jones to see what he would do. He seems to like to sign backups at exorbitant cap numbers.

[mraynrand]

I disagree with the assessment of the Packers of that time as "a team that had no shot to contend with or without Hadl." That team had been in the playoffs in, what, 1972? They lost a low-scoring game to the Redskins, and the major problem was that Scott Hunter was the Packer QB and teams could just load up in the box and stop Brockington.

It was undeniably a stupid, stupid trade, as Hadl was already on the downside of his career and the Packers gave up a shit ton of high picks. But had the Packers had a really good QB, they might well have contended.

Maybe on par bad with the Hadl trade was blowing the #11 pick in '72 on Jerry Tagge. What did they expect from a Nebraska QB? He wasn't gonna be better just because he went to Green Bay West. Bunch of maroons (at least they got Willie Buchannon correct). To be fair, the Packers missed out of the QB run in '71 (Plunkett, Manning, and Pastoring went 1,2,3) and everyone missed on Fouts in '73 (drafted in the third round). Basically, QBs in the 70's pretty much sucked and were undervalued (in '73 no QB was drafted in the first two rounds - Danny White was picked first in the third).