RANS- NFL DRAFT- BLOCKBUSTER DEAL

[pbmax]

I disagree with the assessment of the Packers of that time as "a team that had no shot to contend with or without Hadl." That team had been in the playoffs in, what, 1972? They lost a low-scoring game to the Redskins, and the major problem was that Scott Hunter was the Packer QB and teams could just load up in the box and stop Brockington.

It was undeniably a stupid, stupid trade, as Hadl was already on the downside of his career and the Packers gave up a shit ton of high picks. But had the Packers had a really good QB, they might well have contended.

But he provided veteran leadership. I don't see how his actual performance could matter. He was 80-grit gritty.

[MadScientist]

The move makes some sense for both teams. One team has the man, the other team needs the man. One team has a well-developed team defense and run game, and the other team needs most everything except for QB. I think the move says a lot about what the Rams think of Wentz. Could be Goff, but less likely.

Even assuming that the guy they pick will be a really good one, they still are betting that they can hold the running game and defense together long enough for him to develop into a stud. After 3 years, the holes created by trading away 6 high draft picks will really start showing. Failing that, they have to really get lucky with late rounders and UDFA's.

[KYPack]

I disagree with the assessment of the Packers of that time as "a team that had no shot to contend with or without Hadl." That team had been in the playoffs in, what, 1972? They lost a low-scoring game to the Redskins, and the major problem was that Scott Hunter was the Packer QB and teams could just load up in the box and stop Brockington.

It was undeniably a stupid, stupid trade, as Hadl was already on the downside of his career and the Packers gave up a shit ton of high picks. But had the Packers had a really good QB, they might well have contended.

We've all talked about Devine and the Hadl trade before. In one thread, I made the comment that "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it." My man Fritz uses that for his tag line. But it isn't a joke. Dan Devine is the biggest abomination in Packer history and his regime actually IS worse than you remember if you go back and look at it.

As Fritz mentioned, the Packers won the division in '72. But in the following years, they were hamstrung by having no QB. Devine was tits up trying to find one. The Hadl trade wasn't the only stupid trade that Devine made looking for a signal caller. He traded 2 number two picks to the Dolphins for a bum named Jim Del Gaizo. If Del Gaizo tossed a ball into Lake Michigan, he probably wouldn't hit the water. Devine probably could have gotten Del Gaizo by waiting for the waiver wire cuts to come out, let alone dealing 2 high picks for this guy.

In the summer of '74, he traded a fifth round pick for QB Jack Concannon. 'Ol Jack was on the last legs of a shit career. Devine would have definitely done better on the waiver wire than trading for this goof. An old goof at that.

Then we go into the '74 season. The Pack still didn't have a QB, but they had some great pieces. They had picked up HOF LB Ted Hendricks. Known as "Kick 'em in the Head Ted", Hendricks was in a class by himself. You couldn't pass in his direction (he had 5 picks), run in his direction (he was all long arms and legs.)

The Packers went into their 5th game at 2 - 2 vs the best team in the league the previous season, the LA Rams, led by league MVP in '73, John Hadl. Looked like sure loss for the GBP. But it wasn't. The Packers beat the Rams 17 -6 in Milwaukee. It did look like a career move for Hadl. A move to the bench. Hadl completed two passes and was benched in the 3rd quarter. Hadl didn't look like his 34 years of age. He looked like he was 134. He sat on the pine with his helmet off and bald head shining.

3 Weeks later (and 5 high draft picks down the tubes) Hadl was traded for & was our starting QB. He really tore up for us. 3 TD passes FOR THE SEASON. Guess ya can't bitch too much, all the other shitty QB's threw for 2 TDS. WHY WAS THE TRADE EVER MADE? HADL SUCKED AND HE GOT BENCHED right in front of everybody. Nobody could figure it out then and nobody can figure it out now.

That's the last year for Devine. All those goofy trades and draft picks and 5 TD's thru the air. Devine quit GB and went to coach ND (a plum job). All us poor wienie GBP fans were left holding the bag.

One thing I've posted is true. The Devine era sucked, but it's WORSE than you remember if you go back and look at it.

[mraynrand]

But he provided veteran leadership. I don't see how his actual performance could matter. He was 80-grit gritty.

If you want to take off a layer of paint or wood, you really need to go down to 60 or 40 grit. In other words, Is he belt-sander gritty?

[Guiness]

We've all talked about Devine and the Hadl trade before. In one thread, I made the comment that "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it." My man Fritz uses that for his tag line. But it isn't a joke. Dan Devine is the biggest abomination in Packer history and his regime actually IS worse than you remember if you go back and look at it.

As Fritz mentioned, the Packers won the division in '72. But in the following years, they were hamstrung by having no QB. Devine was tits up trying to find one. The Hadl trade wasn't the only stupid trade that Devine made looking for a signal caller. He traded 2 number two picks to the Dolphins for a bum named Jim Del Gaizo. If Del Gaizo tossed a ball into Lake Michigan, he probably wouldn't hit the water. Devine probably could have gotten Del Gaizo by waiting for the waiver wire cuts to come out, let alone dealing 2 high picks for this guy.

In the summer of '74, he traded a fifth round pick for QB Jack Concannon. 'Ol Jack was on the last legs of a shit career. Devine would have definitely done better on the waiver wire than trading for this goof. An old goof at that.

Then we go into the '74 season. The Pack still didn't have a QB, but they had some great pieces. They had picked up HOF LB Ted Hendricks. Known as "Kick 'em in the Head Ted", Hendricks was in a class by himself. You couldn't pass in his direction (he had 5 picks), run in his direction (he was all long arms and legs.)

The Packers went into their 5th game at 2 - 2 vs the best team in the league the previous season, the LA Rams, led by league MVP in '73, John Hadl. Looked like sure loss for the GBP. But it wasn't. The Packers beat the Rams 17 -6 in Milwaukee. It did look like a career move for Hadl. A move to the bench. Hadl completed two passes and was benched in the 3rd quarter. Hadl didn't look like his 34 years of age. He looked like he was 134. He sat on the pine with his helmet off and bald head shining.

3 Weeks later (and 5 high draft picks down the tubes) Hadl was traded for & was our starting QB. He really tore up for us. 3 TD passes FOR THE SEASON. Guess ya can't bitch too much, all the other shitty QB's threw for 2 TDS. WHY WAS THE TRADE EVER MADE? HADL SUCKED AND HE GOT BENCHED right in front of everybody. Nobody could figure it out then and nobody can figure it out now.

That's the last year for Devine. All those goofy trades and draft picks and 5 TD's thru the air. Devine quit GB and went to coach ND (a plum job). All us poor wienie GBP fans were left holding the bag.

One thing I've posted is true. The Devine era sucked, but it's WORSE than you remember if you go back and look at it.

The Hadl trade is definitely made more bizarre by the fact Devine had just had a front row seat to him being benched, but still gave up a king's ransom for him.

[Bossman641]

Strange trade for the rams as i don't think either qb is worth what they gave up.

[Patler]

We've all talked about Devine and the Hadl trade before. In one thread, I made the comment that "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it." My man Fritz uses that for his tag line. But it isn't a joke. Dan Devine is the biggest abomination in Packer history and his regime actually IS worse than you remember if you go back and look at it.

As Fritz mentioned, the Packers won the division in '72. But in the following years, they were hamstrung by having no QB. Devine was tits up trying to find one. The Hadl trade wasn't the only stupid trade that Devine made looking for a signal caller. He traded 2 number two picks to the Dolphins for a bum named Jim Del Gaizo. If Del Gaizo tossed a ball into Lake Michigan, he probably wouldn't hit the water. Devine probably could have gotten Del Gaizo by waiting for the waiver wire cuts to come out, let alone dealing 2 high picks for this guy.

In the summer of '74, he traded a fifth round pick for QB Jack Concannon. 'Ol Jack was on the last legs of a shit career. Devine would have definitely done better on the waiver wire than trading for this goof. An old goof at that.

Then we go into the '74 season. The Pack still didn't have a QB, but they had some great pieces. They had picked up HOF LB Ted Hendricks. Known as "Kick 'em in the Head Ted", Hendricks was in a class by himself. You couldn't pass in his direction (he had 5 picks), run in his direction (he was all long arms and legs.)

The Packers went into their 5th game at 2 - 2 vs the best team in the league the previous season, the LA Rams, led by league MVP in '73, John Hadl. Looked like sure loss for the GBP. But it wasn't. The Packers beat the Rams 17 -6 in Milwaukee. It did look like a career move for Hadl. A move to the bench. Hadl completed two passes and was benched in the 3rd quarter. Hadl didn't look like his 34 years of age. He looked like he was 134. He sat on the pine with his helmet off and bald head shining.

3 Weeks later (and 5 high draft picks down the tubes) Hadl was traded for & was our starting QB. He really tore up for us. 3 TD passes FOR THE SEASON. Guess ya can't bitch too much, all the other shitty QB's threw for 2 TDS. WHY WAS THE TRADE EVER MADE? HADL SUCKED AND HE GOT BENCHED right in front of everybody. Nobody could figure it out then and nobody can figure it out now.

That's the last year for Devine. All those goofy trades and draft picks and 5 TD's thru the air. Devine quit GB and went to coach ND (a plum job). All us poor wienie GBP fans were left holding the bag.

One thing I've posted is true. The Devine era sucked, but it's WORSE than you remember if you go back and look at it.

The Packers have Saints QB Bobby Scott to blame for the Hadl trade. A week or two earlier, the Packers had a deal worked out to get Archie Manning, then a very young QB who the Saints were kind of giving up on. The Saints backed out of the deal with GB when Bobby Scott got hurt, and they had to turn to Manning as their starter.

Manning has said he knew he was going somewhere and that GB was one of about 4 teams it would be. Lee Remmel wrote that the Packers had a deal worked out with the Saints, to be announced after the weekend. Then Scott got hurt and Devine was scrambling to find a different QB.

Hadl wasn't a complete loss for the Packers, however. He, Ken Ellis and a couple draft picks were trade to the Oilers for Lynn Dickey. Hadl stayed a couple years with the Oilers.

Dickey made the Packers fun to watch in the late '70s and early '80s.

[Fritz]

The Packers have Saints QB Bobby Scott to blame for the Hadl trade. A week or two earlier, the Packers had a deal worked out to get Archie Manning, then a very young QB who the Saints were kind of giving up on. The Saints backed out of the deal with GB when Bobby Scott got hurt, and they had to turn to Manning as their starter.

Manning has said he knew he was going somewhere and that GB was one of about 4 teams it would be. Lee Remmel wrote that the Packers had a deal worked out with the Saints, to be announced after the weekend. Then Scott got hurt and Devine was scrambling to find a different QB.

Hadl wasn't a complete loss for the Packers, however. He, Ken Ellis and a couple draft picks were trade to the Oilers for Lynn Dickey. Hadl stayed a couple years with the Oilers.

Dickey made the Packers fun to watch in the late '70s and early '80s.

Wow. Would Devine be in the Packer Hall of Fame if he'd gotten Archie Manning?

[Fritz]

We've all talked about Devine and the Hadl trade before. In one thread, I made the comment that "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it." My man Fritz uses that for his tag line. But it isn't a joke. Dan Devine is the biggest abomination in Packer history and his regime actually IS worse than you remember if you go back and look at it.

As Fritz mentioned, the Packers won the division in '72. But in the following years, they were hamstrung by having no QB. Devine was tits up trying to find one. The Hadl trade wasn't the only stupid trade that Devine made looking for a signal caller. He traded 2 number two picks to the Dolphins for a bum named Jim Del Gaizo. If Del Gaizo tossed a ball into Lake Michigan, he probably wouldn't hit the water. Devine probably could have gotten Del Gaizo by waiting for the waiver wire cuts to come out, let alone dealing 2 high picks for this guy.

In the summer of '74, he traded a fifth round pick for QB Jack Concannon. 'Ol Jack was on the last legs of a shit career. Devine would have definitely done better on the waiver wire than trading for this goof. An old goof at that.

Then we go into the '74 season. The Pack still didn't have a QB, but they had some great pieces. They had picked up HOF LB Ted Hendricks. Known as "Kick 'em in the Head Ted", Hendricks was in a class by himself. You couldn't pass in his direction (he had 5 picks), run in his direction (he was all long arms and legs.)

The Packers went into their 5th game at 2 - 2 vs the best team in the league the previous season, the LA Rams, led by league MVP in '73, John Hadl. Looked like sure loss for the GBP. But it wasn't. The Packers beat the Rams 17 -6 in Milwaukee. It did look like a career move for Hadl. A move to the bench. Hadl completed two passes and was benched in the 3rd quarter. Hadl didn't look like his 34 years of age. He looked like he was 134. He sat on the pine with his helmet off and bald head shining.

3 Weeks later (and 5 high draft picks down the tubes) Hadl was traded for & was our starting QB. He really tore up for us. 3 TD passes FOR THE SEASON. Guess ya can't bitch too much, all the other shitty QB's threw for 2 TDS. WHY WAS THE TRADE EVER MADE? HADL SUCKED AND HE GOT BENCHED right in front of everybody. Nobody could figure it out then and nobody can figure it out now.

That's the last year for Devine. All those goofy trades and draft picks and 5 TD's thru the air. Devine quit GB and went to coach ND (a plum job). All us poor wienie GBP fans were left holding the bag.

One thing I've posted is true. The Devine era sucked, but it's WORSE than you remember if you go back and look at it.

I'd forgotten about all the quarterback futility. Two second round picks for Del Gaizo - I was but a lad at the time, but even then I knew something stank about Gai Del Jimzo. My gosh, Devine certainly did not value draft picks, did he?

And wasn't his nickname Ted "The Mad Stork" Hendricks because of those long legs and gangly wings? I recall that he was only around for one or two seasons and then was basically given away again, though he was a great player. Not sure why Devine wouldn't keep him.

[Patler]

I'd forgotten about all the quarterback futility. Two second round picks for Del Gaizo - I was but a lad at the time, but even then I knew something stank about Gai Del Jimzo. My gosh, Devine certainly did not value draft picks, did he?

And wasn't his nickname Ted "The Mad Stork" Hendricks because of those long legs and gangly wings? I recall that he was only around for one or two seasons and then was basically given away again, though he was a great player. Not sure why Devine wouldn't keep him.

Hendricks was in the final year of his contract when he came to GB, and had signed a futures contract with the WFL for the following season. That was why the Colts were willing to trade him. It was known all season that he was there only for one year. Hendricks didn't much care where he played that season, the next year he intended to be in the WFL on a big contract. But, the league folded. Fans got excited, thinking Hendricks would stay in GB, but Hendricks had no interest in returning to GB. While there was not free agency as we know it today, at that time a player with an expired contract could sign with another team, and sometime later the league determined "fair compensation" as if it was a trade. It was kind of a risky proposition signing another teams vet, because you didn't know what it would cost. As I recall, the league ended up awarding the Packers two first round draft picks from Oakland.

Hendricks was unbelievable the year he played in GB. I think he set the NFL record for blocked kicks in a season, with something like 5 or 6. (I suppose I could look it up!)

[Cheesehead Craig]

Right now, I'd say Tenn got the better end of this trade as I feel more players are better than just one, but let's check in 3 years when we know more about how it actually worked out.

[Patler]

I stand corrected. Hendricks blocked SEVEN kicks in the one year he played in GB.

[George Cumby]

Was Akira Kurosawa part of the deal?

It took me DAYS to see what you did there.

Esoteric. I like that.

[George Cumby]

Right now, I'd say Tenn got the better end of this trade as I feel more players are better than just one, but let's check in 3 years when we know more about how it actually worked out.

Right. The Oilers need to hit on their picks.

A few years ago, the Bay Area sports radio guys were all agog over the raft of draft picks that Baalke had. Well, a few years later, that raft of draft picks didn't produce and they now have Shit Kelly as their coach.

[Bossman641]

Man, from the way you old timers talk about devine I'm glad i wasn't alive. Obviously he was reckless with picks, but was the entire league more reckless then?