Mike McCarthy Is On The Hot Seat

[Patler]

Sitton is a "very good" pass blocker - which is all the Packers really care about - while he is just an average, probably below average run blocker.

No, that does not cut the mustard to being an overall "very good" player. He is a good player.

Lang is a notch below Sitton, maybe a slightly better run blocker...

Sitton is more than "very good" as a pass blocker. He didn't give up a sack in 37 consecutive games until this year and typically yields about 10 pressures per year. What more do you expect? As a run blocker, he typically is credited by McGinn with only about 10-12 bad runs in a year. Is he a road grader clearing paths for ball carrier? No, but I'm not sure anyone would be in the Packers offense. Sitton has been generally mentioned as one of the best five guards in any list you see. How is that not an impact player when the league has 64 starters at guard?

If Sitton was on another team, you would call him a great pick, and criticize TT for having passed on him while taking Joe Schmoe. But, since he actually is a Packer, he naturally isn't that good.

[Fritz]

Sitton is more than "very good" as a pass blocker. He didn't give up a sack in 37 consecutive games until this year and typically yields about 10 pressures per year. What more do you expect? As a run blocker, he typically is credited by McGinn with only about 10-12 bad runs in a year. Is he a road grader clearing paths for ball carrier? No, but I'm not sure anyone would be in the Packers offense. Sitton has been generally mentioned as one of the best five guards in any list you see. How is that not an impact player when the league has 64 starters at guard?

If Sitton was on another team, you would call him a great pick, and criticize TT for having passed on him while taking Joe Schmoe. But, since he actually is a Packer, he naturally isn't that good.

If only Thompson and McCarthy didn't enjoy having soft teams so much!

[Joemailman]

Of Collins, Matthews, Nelson, and Finley - the only one I'd consider for "elite" status would be Nelson. Collins would make that category if his career hadn't ended so abruptly. Matthews isn't elite - and of course age is now becoming a factor for him.

This whole thing started with you saying Rodgers is the only elite player that TT has drafted. So now you're saying that Collins wasn't an elite player because James Stewart landed on his head and ended his career? After Collins went to 3 straight Pro Bowls and helped the Packers win the Super Bowl by returning an INT for a TD? Oh wait. I forgot. The Super Bowl doesn't count. That was just luck.

[Zool]

Sitton is more than "very good" as a pass blocker. He didn't give up a sack in 37 consecutive games until this year and typically yields about 10 pressures per year. What more do you expect? As a run blocker, he typically is credited by McGinn with only about 10-12 bad runs in a year. Is he a road grader clearing paths for ball carrier? No, but I'm not sure anyone would be in the Packers offense. Sitton has been generally mentioned as one of the best five guards in any list you see. How is that not an impact player when the league has 64 starters at guard?

If Sitton was on another team, you would call him a great pick, and criticize TT for having passed on him while taking Joe Schmoe. But, since he actually is a Packer, he naturally isn't that good.

How many turnovers does he have? Passes broken up? Touchdowns?

Only skill position players who are the top 2 in the league are good enough picks. Anything less is average at best.

[pbmax]

We are lucky to have McCarthy to turn this pile of nothing into a playoff caliber team I guess.

Its funny though, I never get the impression we are outclassed (when healthy) until M3 starts coaching close late game strategy. Must be my lying eyes.

[Joemailman]

We are lucky to have McCarthy to turn this pile of nothing into a playoff caliber team I guess.

Its funny though, I never get the impression we are outclassed (when healthy) until M3 starts coaching close late game strategy. Must be my lying eyes.

Has any coach had as many near-misses in the playoffs as MM? 2007, 2009, 2013-2015. 4 OT losses and 1 regulation game where SF won on the last play of the game.

[pbmax]

Has any coach had as many near-misses in the playoffs as MM? 2007, 2009, 2013-2015. 4 OT losses and 1 regulation game where SF won on the last play of the game.

Its the Schottenheimer in him. For a long time I thought he had beaten it, but he hasn't worked through it yet.

Taking the ball out of the hands of your best player is such classic Martyball that it makes me want to weep.

He has improved on the original in so many ways that I thought this was a matter of time. But its still there.

[Upnorth]

Since we drifted off into how much TT sucks at drafting I think I will try taking us a little further off course. Schneider has done an amazing job in the late rounds but has been below average in the first two rounds. If this trend continues how long until he is called lucky?

[wist43]

Sitton is more than "very good" as a pass blocker. He didn't give up a sack in 37 consecutive games until this year and typically yields about 10 pressures per year. What more do you expect? As a run blocker, he typically is credited by McGinn with only about 10-12 bad runs in a year. Is he a road grader clearing paths for ball carrier? No, but I'm not sure anyone would be in the Packers offense. Sitton has been generally mentioned as one of the best five guards in any list you see. How is that not an impact player when the league has 64 starters at guard?

If Sitton was on another team, you would call him a great pick, and criticize TT for having passed on him while taking Joe Schmoe. But, since he actually is a Packer, he naturally isn't that good.

I consider Sitton a "great" pick... just not an elite player.

Get over it you guys, lol... you're such homers - if someone doesn't agree with every greatness green and gold utterance you guys make - it's blasphemy, and the sinner who uttered the offending words is a heretic!!!

[wist43]

We are lucky to have McCarthy to turn this pile of nothing into a playoff caliber team I guess.

Its funny though, I never get the impression we are outclassed (when healthy) until M3 starts coaching close late game strategy. Must be my lying eyes.

I've liked a lot of the talent - but the overall finesse philosophy hurts the product on the field to whatever extent. The Packers have a soft reputation - enough so that commentators talk about it.

SF literally laughed at us for a few years running, as the kicked they shit out of us every time we played them. As a fan, I certainly didn't enjoy watching another team push us all over the field.

Something is wrong with the picture, if - as you guys say - Rodgers is the best player in the league, and we have half a roster of elite players, and the other have were ripped off by not being invited to the pro bowl.

It isn't just "late game" coaching meltdowns... although, I'm pretty sure McCarthy wears panties on game day, and when the pressure is on, his nuts are too shriveled to drive a stake into an opponents throat. No, there is something amiss - if it is true we have the best player in the NFL, and we can't win more than 1 championship in 11 years, and likely won't win another one anytime soon.

[Patler]

I consider Sitton a "great" pick... just not an elite player.

Get over it you guys, lol... you're such homers - if someone doesn't agree with every greatness green and gold utterance you guys make - it's blasphemy, and the sinner who uttered the offending words is a heretic!!!

This discussion has lost focus and definition. You started out discussing "impact players". That changed to "elite players". I think they are different, with elite being a higher category. You see Sitton as neither, which I may disagree with, but can understand. The part I find astonishing is that you said Sitton does not even earn "very good" status, just "good". I think that is absurd.

[wist43]

This discussion has lost focus and definition. You started out discussing "impact players". That changed to "elite players". I think they are different, with elite being a higher category. You see Sitton as neither, which I may disagree with, but can understand. The part I find astonishing is that you said Sitton does not even earn "very good" status, just "good". I think that is absurd.

How many levels of goodness are there?? lol...

If having a turnstile at G is getting Rodgers killed on a regular basis - and Sitton stepping in and solidifying the position makes life cozy for Rodgers?? Then okay, he's an "impact player"...

That said, how often is Rodgers running for his life?? Seems like all the time. Granted some of that is due to holding the ball, which in turn may be a function of receivers not getting open...

Which leads us back to - what's wrong with the picture?? If receivers are not getting open - then do we have "elite" receivers?? No, of course we don't - Nelson is close to that though. And if Rodgers is constantly running for his life - which he is a good amount of the time - you can't blame it all on receivers not getting open - bacteria is a turnstile, but it isn't all on bacteria. Rodgers gets pressure from all over the place - I don't know who is doing the grading, or counting pressures, but that can be a pretty subjective walk around the church.

Something is pretty wrong with the picture - if all these players are "elite", or "impact", or "very good", or "good"... no?? If the worst player we had in our starting lineup was "good" - why are we not winning more championships?? M3 wearing panties on game day??

We're likely a 2nd tier contender again this year... right off the top Seattle, Arizona, and Carolina are all better than we are - and that is only in the NFC. Again, if we have the best player in the league, why are we not a top-tier contender?? We're in the conversation b/c of Rodgers, but I think most people would admit that all of those teams I mentioned are better than the Packers.

[Upnorth]

assuming no injuries, I think perhaps Carolina might be better. I think on a neutral field vrs Seattle and Arizona we win 60% of the time. Patriots likely beat us because of Gronk (healthy he is arguably the best player in the league) . Pittsburgh and cincy are going to be 50/50.
This is if everyone is healthy. And yes I think fully healthy Pitt and cincy are slightly better than Seattle and Arizona

[Deputy Nutz]

McCarthy is not going any where unless he has two seasons in a row where he fails to win a playoff game and fails to win the division, and Ted Thompson retires.

The Packers have a solid roster. It is not an elite roster, but very few teams are stacked like the 49ers, Cowboys, and Packers of the 90s. You just don't see those kind of rosters anymore.

Thompson has built a roster each year with an ability to win a Division title, make it to the playoffs, and contend for one of the final 4 spots in the NFC. What he hasn't done is make high risk/high reward moves in free agency or in trades to bring in players that could possibly push the Packers into NFC Champions. Let's face it, Ted Thompson is not Ron Wolf. He will not sacrifice salary cap to make a push to the Super Bowl. His method is consistency and keeping fans content and hoping for a magic carpet ride to the Super Bowl. If the Packers stay relatively injury free which is unlikely under McCarthy they have a roster that can push for a Super Bowl.

Right now no part of the Packers is dynamic. The Passing game two years ago was dynamic, last year it was a little above average. The defense is decent but unspectacular, the running game was a flop last year, and special teams was better in 2015 but not dynamic. McCarthy will keep his job as long as Thompson is in charge, and he keeps his win total around 10 per year, but for the fans that want Super Bowls a change of how to build a roster might have to change.

Also this team has no swagger. You look at the 1996 team, that team had swagger.

[Zool]

I consider Sitton a "great" pick... just not an elite player.

Get over it you guys, lol... you're such homers - if someone doesn't agree with every greatness green and gold utterance you guys make - it's blasphemy, and the sinner who uttered the offending words is a heretic!!!

If someone doesn't agree with you, they are homers.