Mike McCarthy Is On The Hot Seat

[wist43]

assuming no injuries, I think perhaps Carolina might be better. I think on a neutral field vrs Seattle and Arizona we win 60% of the time. Patriots likely beat us because of Gronk (healthy he is arguably the best player in the league) . Pittsburgh and cincy are going to be 50/50.
This is if everyone is healthy. And yes I think fully healthy Pitt and cincy are slightly better than Seattle and Arizona

The only people who think the Packers are better than Seattle and Arizona are Packer fans.

I might agree with being 50/50 with cincy and Pittsburgh, but both of those teams are much more physical than we are... that wins out more often than not, if all other things are equal.

[3irty1]

Super bowl 51 odds to win as of 6/1:

• Patriots +700
• Seahawks +800
• Packers +1000
• Steelers +1000
• Panthers +1100
• Cardinals +1200
• Bengals +1800

[Zool]

That's a soft +1000. Those odds makers are clearly Packer homers.

[wist43]

I certainly wouldn't waste my money betting in June on who would win the SB next February.

Lot of stupid people out there though

[KYPack]

That's a soft +1000. Those odds makers are clearly Packer homers.

Do you hit a soft 1000 or just double down?

[Bretsky]

*Yawn*

We need another shit stirrer in addition to Wist. I appreciate his contrarian view but we need a new set of opposing argument to spice this place up.

I HEAR MY NAME BEING CALLED.........lol.........I truly appreciate Wist as I come across as an optimist when he's around.

Up to this point TT has assembled a team that got hot at the right time and went on a run when the NFL was all about even. After that.....yup.........

a wise man once said

FART IN THE WIND

[Bretsky]

How many levels of goodness are there?? lol...

If having a turnstile at G is getting Rodgers killed on a regular basis - and Sitton stepping in and solidifying the position makes life cozy for Rodgers?? Then okay, he's an "impact player"...

That said, how often is Rodgers running for his life?? Seems like all the time. Granted some of that is due to holding the ball, which in turn may be a function of receivers not getting open...

Which leads us back to - what's wrong with the picture?? If receivers are not getting open - then do we have "elite" receivers?? No, of course we don't - Nelson is close to that though. And if Rodgers is constantly running for his life - which he is a good amount of the time - you can't blame it all on receivers not getting open - bacteria is a turnstile, but it isn't all on bacteria. Rodgers gets pressure from all over the place - I don't know who is doing the grading, or counting pressures, but that can be a pretty subjective walk around the church.

Something is pretty wrong with the picture - if all these players are "elite", or "impact", or "very good", or "good"... no?? If the worst player we had in our starting lineup was "good" - why are we not winning more championships?? M3 wearing panties on game day??

We're likely a 2nd tier contender again this year... right off the top Seattle, Arizona, and Carolina are all better than we are - and that is only in the NFC. Again, if we have the best player in the league, why are we not a top-tier contender?? We're in the conversation b/c of Rodgers, but I think most people would admit that all of those teams I mentioned are better than the Packers.

pretty much agree with this; AZ seems ready to make a run

[Bretsky]

None of these guys is going anywhere - until they decide to leave. 10-6 in perpetuity is good enough for the Packers organization.

How many impact players, i.e. elite level players has TT drafted?? Rodgers is it... Jordy is just below that, and Clay a slight level below that.

I know the homers will say it is b/c we always draft in the 20's, but that doesn't fly... Seattle managed to find a basket full of impact players after the 1st round. How good would Bobby Wagner (2nd round) look in Green and Gold?? or Cam Chancellor (5th round), or Richard Sherman (5th round)??

Richard Sherman was pick #154 - Ted took TE DJ Williams with pick #141 in the 2011 draft

Cam Chancellor was pick #133 - Ted traded his 3rd and 4th round picks to move up 15 spots in the 3rd round to take Morgan Burnett. In the 5th round TT took TE Andrew Quarless.

Bobby Wagner was pick #47 - Ted spent a first round pick on Nick Perry, pick #28; then used pick #51 on DT Jerel Worthy.

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Hindsight is 20/20 of course, but TT really isn't all he's cracked up to be.

He's only hit on a few guys over the course of 11 years. If he hadn't departed from his myopic approach to roster building during '10 season, i.e. by signing Woodson, Pickett, and Greene - we wouldn't have lucked out and won the SB that year.

I believe it was Ron Wolfe who coined the phrase, "a fart in the wind", lol...

We're playoff contenders every year, but I don't consider our team overall to be at the level necessary to seriously contend for the SB.

WISTY......you are showing hints of seeing the light..........even though you don't realize it !!!!!!!!!

It is 75% Ted and 25% DOM. DOM is not a bad DC. He just coaches to the talent Ted provides for him. I'm not saying he's outstanding....but undoubtedly middle of the pack.

Ted needs to have more hits on these defensive draft picks; that we agree on.

RON WOLF > TED THOMPSON up to this point.

[Pugger]

We are lucky to have McCarthy to turn this pile of nothing into a playoff caliber team I guess.

Its funny though, I never get the impression we are outclassed (when healthy) until M3 starts coaching close late game strategy. Must be my lying eyes.

If you venture over to Footballs Future's Comparison forum there is a thread right now comparing Mike to John Harbaugh and JH is winning that pole by an overwhelming margin. I find that slightly ridiculous. Harbaugh is a good coach but he isn't light years better than MM.

http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=579080

[Pugger]

pretty much agree with this; AZ seems ready to make a run

They better hope Carson Palmer doesn't start to show his age and actually performs well in the playoffs.

[Fritz]

I find that when I am on the hot seat, driving to work on my electrically-warmed driver's seat in my car, I have the urge to pee.

I wonder if Mike feels this way, too.

[Bretsky]

If you venture over to Footballs Future's Comparison forum there is a thread right now comparing Mike to John Harbaugh and JH is winning that pole by an overwhelming margin. I find that slightly ridiculous. Harbaugh is a good coach but he isn't light years better than MM.

http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB...c.php?t=579080

I'd probably consider them to be pretty close as well. Homerism aside I still think I'd give MM a slight advantage

[Patler]

If you venture over to Footballs Future's Comparison forum there is a thread right now comparing Mike to John Harbaugh and JH is winning that pole by an overwhelming margin. I find that slightly ridiculous. Harbaugh is a good coach but he isn't light years better than MM.

http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB...c.php?t=579080

I'd probably consider them to be pretty close as well. Homerism aside I still think I'd give MM a slight advantage

It will be interesting to look at this comparison in another 2 or 3 years. There are a lot of similarities in their careers. Each has won a SB in a somewhat improbably run as a wild card playoff team. Each has otherwise come up short in playoffs, including several Conference Championship Game losses. MM has a solid lead in regular season winning percentage, .653 to .602.

I say it will be interesting to look at this in a few years because, since winning the SB, Harbaugh has gone 8-8, 10-6 and 5-11. That's 23-25 in three seasons. This has begun to tarnish the stellar start he had in going 54-26 his first 5 seasons. Harbaugh's career could be defined by what happens in the next few years. So far, MM has not had any 3 year period without a winning record. He has had two 3 year periods in which he was 27-21, years 1-3 and 3-5.

[Patler]

The only people who think the Packers are better than Seattle and Arizona are Packer fans.

Maybe not just Packer fans:

http://packerrats.com/showthread.php...st-Packers-2nd

[Joemailman]

Maybe not just Packer fans:

http://packerrats.com/showthread.php...st-Packers-2nd

Obviously those guys at PFF are all homer Packer fans.