Josh Sitton.

[vince]

I want McCarthy's public statements on Taylor to be true, I just have never seen that player.

So I hold on to the hope that you are right, that they recognize the drop off and are prepared.

Well we'll find out in time how he performs but how would anyone benefit if McCarthy said, "Well we just cut an all-pro and are now starting a guy who we don't know for sure whether he's good enough."

That's probably the truth but that's not gonna happen.

[Harlan Huckleby]

red, it's like you were a fly on the wall.

[red]

Well, what you are saying is loyalty must be one way. The GM can cut-and-slash, or refuse to negotiate, and that is "just business." But if the player acts haughty and non-communicative (your characterization is a bit over the top), then they are disloyal. I say in both cases it is "just business."

yup, why we shit on the players all the time for doing the same thing the teams do all the time is beyond me.

look at the whole bosa saga, who was the bad guy there? bosa of course. even though both sides were playing hard ball

[pbmax]

Well we'll find out in time how he performs but how would anyone benefit if McCarthy said, "Well we just cut an all-pro and are now starting a guy who we don't know for sure whether he's good enough."

That's probably the truth but that's not gonna happen.

Oh, he can't bail publicly now. I just wonder if there is any actual through line between his comments last spring about Taylor (and his 2 year contract extension with a bonus) and the release of Sitton.

[red]

ted doing business

[Pugger]

Tom Silverstein @TomSilverstein 2h2 hours ago
McCarthy: Lane Taylor will start at LG. I have all the confidence in the world in Lane. He’s earned this opportunity.

Tom Silverstein @TomSilverstein 2h2 hours ago
McCarthy on Lane Taylor: You have to look at the video. It’s pre-season and I was very confident in how he played. He was physical.

Could it be that M3 is actually convinced of this?

What else is he gonna say, Lane sucks?

[vince]

Harlan, you're suggesting that becoming a lockerroom cancer as a negotiating strategy is ethically acceptable?

These guys need to take care of their business no doubt, but respect your teammates and keep it out of the locker room.

It's absolutely team coaches and management's responsibility to keep that from happening.

[Harlan Huckleby]

[Pugger]

winners: Josh Sitton, Lane Taylor
Losers: Packers
TBD: Bears


Sitton becomes a FA a year early - at an age where a year means a lot. Gets himself a raise and possibly extends his career. I'm not saying TT made a bad move, perhaps he made the best of a bad situation. But if I'm a 30-year-old player in contract year where GM is being coy, I think I'd try being haughty and non-communicative in the locker room.

If you guys think our team is now screwed because we lost our starting LG our problems are deeper than any of us care to ponder.

It sucks we lost Sitton but we've survived and thrived offensively with worse guards than Lane Taylor.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Harlan, you're suggesting that becoming a lockerroom cancer as a negotiating strategy is ethically acceptable?

These guys need to take care of their business no doubt, but respect your teammates and keep it out of the locker room.

You're defining haughty as a locker room cancer. I seriously doubt any of the players saw him as a cancer. He was a cancer to management because he was demanding a negotiation. They wanted to discourage that sort of uppity behavior by the help.

I bet you will find that players are distraught over their team being weakened. Sitton was reportedly a leader on the line.

[Harlan Huckleby]

It sucks we lost Sitton but we've survived and thrived offensively with worse guards than Lane Taylor.

Not sure this is true.

But maybe we'll see the good Lane, not the passing Lane this season. Or at a minimum he'll continue to improve. I'm not selling my Packer season tickets over this move. (They are imaginary, but they mean a lot to me.)

[Pugger]

We won a SB in 2010 with Daryn Freaking Colledge at LG. And right now Lang is the better guard than Sitton is presently, IMO. The sky isn't falling, gentlemen.

[vince]

You're defining haughty as a locker room cancer. I seriously doubt any of the players saw him as a cancer. He was a cancer to management because he was demanding a negotiation. They wanted to discourage that sort of uppity behavior by the help.

I bet you will find that players are distraught over their team being weakened. Sitton was reportedly a leader on the line.

McCarthy said it became a locker room issue not me. Had it not penetrated the locker room there would be little motivation to eliminate it. Your "management exploitation of the help" interpretation is based on bias not reality based on everything that I've read about this situation. Perhaps you've read something I didn't but I'd love to hear it.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

i can imagine it now

sitton at TT's office door knocking on it

sitton- ted can we talk about a new contract

TT-(hiding under desk)- he's not here, go away please

sitton- i just want to ask if we can work out an extension

TT- please just leave me alone, if you want to communicate with me, send a letter to my assistant

sitton- ted i know your in there, lets just talk it out now

TT- PLEASE JUST GO

sitton leaves

TT calls m3- mike we have a problem. sitton was just being very aggressive towards me about a new contract

m3- its ok teddy, lets just get rid of him so that doesn't happen again. now let me come up and suck you off to relax you

lol

[Harlan Huckleby]

Pugger, I generally agree with what you say, but Colledge was not a bad player. He had a long career as an NFL starter.