Josh Sitton.

[Patler]

I think it was Wilde who said the rumor was that the incident involved Barrington, Dix and a third player he didn't name. He said Dix denied it, he couldn't reach Barrington, and the third player denied that it ever happened, say if it had happened the world would have known about it because he would have beaten the crap out of Sitton for saying/doing it. (Does that sound a little like something Mike Daniels would say? )

I thought Wilde said Sitton denied it outright?

Yup, just as he said Dix denied it and the player Wilde did not mention by name. I did not bring up his Wilde's statement about his discussion with Sitton, since 2 of the other 3 denied it, too. Wilde also reported that Sitton told him that he (Sitton) had called the players mentioned in the rumors and asked if he had said something that offended them, and Sitton said all assured him that he had not.

[Patler]

I hadn't heard that. That connects some big (unverified) dots.

But the unverified dots lead to nothing, because all players involved deny it. However, it does wrap several loose ends into a single rumor.

[hoosier]

The thing is, I don't think you really need the racialized confrontation to explain this. Sitton was outspoken and could get pissy when things weren't going well, sometimes crossing the boundary into defiance. Those traits were starting to show up in some unnamed younger OLs. And Sitton himself would appear to be on the downward slope of his career. This conjuncture of factors is enough to explain his release.

[Patler]

The thing is, I don't think you really need the racialized confrontation to explain this. Sitton was outspoken and could get pissy when things weren't going well, sometimes crossing the boundary into defiance. Those traits were starting to show up in some unnamed younger OLs. And Sitton himself would appear to be on the downward slope of his career. This conjuncture of factors is enough to explain his release.

I agree.

[Harlan Huckleby]

And Sitton himself would appear to be on the downward slope of his career.

Ya, but I wonder if TT guessed wrong on this. Remember, the controversy is only about THIS year. Nobody much cared about Sitton going FA next spring.
The USA TODAY article I linked to earlier claims that Sitton was outstanding in his first game as a Bear. He's 30, a prime year for an offensive lineman.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Screw these damn multi-millionaire prima donnas! And the NFL too, for that matter. I stay a Packer fan despite all this salary crap. I just shelled out a couple hundred retirement bucks for the NFL Sunday Ticket. Maybe I'm the fool.

[hoosier]

Ya, but I wonder if TT guessed wrong on this. Remember, the controversy is only about THIS year. Nobody much cared about Sitton going FA next spring.
The USA TODAY article I linked to earlier claims that Sitton was outstanding in his first game as a Bear. He's 30, a prime year for an offensive lineman.

I don't know, although the Bears game was on here (damned Fibs) I could not bear to watch it so I missed Sitton's performance. Was the USA article taken from the Tribune? In any case, whether or not Sitton was outstanding yesterday doesn't matter because: (1) with his injury history he's probably not going to be outstanding for the entire year; (2) he never practices, which probably counts as a big minus for MM, who seems to value the number of reps this unit can get together; (3) by cutting Sitton now rather than waiting you both remove whatever negative influence he had on your younger linemen and you give someone or someones a head-start on development, which will be a plus when next year rolls around. One thing about TT is that he never ever seems to go into absolute must win now mode; for better or worse he's always thinking about how decisions made now will affect the future. He's the anti-Sherman.

[vince]

The thing is, I don't think you really need the racialized confrontation to explain this. Sitton was outspoken and could get pissy when things weren't going well, sometimes crossing the boundary into defiance. Those traits were starting to show up in some unnamed younger OLs. And Sitton himself would appear to be on the downward slope of his career. This conjuncture of factors is enough to explain his release.

I agree with that too. It would seem to be a bit more manageable though than if direct conflict occurred. I fully grant that to the extent there was some smoke, whatever fire there was smoldered at best and was stomped on aggressively.

[red]

it kinda seems obvious that we had to cut sitton so we could make our average LT the 4th highest paid LT in the NFL

we were just saying 2 days ago that 8 to 10 million a year would be too much for him. 8 would put him in the top 15 and 10 would put him in the top 10

i suppose we're probably about ready to give tretter 8-9 million per year too

and langs probably going to get what sitton got if not more

[pbmax]

it kinda seems obvious that we had to cut sitton so we could make our average LT the 4th highest paid LT in the NFL

we were just saying 2 days ago that 8 to 10 million a year would be too much for him. 8 would put him in the top 15 and 10 would put him in the top 10

i suppose we're probably about ready to give tretter 8-9 million per year too

and langs probably going to get what sitton got if not more

What are the numbers for Top centers and guards?

[red]

What are the numbers for Top centers and guards?

thats what i based those on

let me go check

[pbmax]

it kinda seems obvious that we had to cut sitton so we could make our average LT the 4th highest paid LT in the NFL

we were just saying 2 days ago that 8 to 10 million a year would be too much for him. 8 would put him in the top 15 and 10 would put him in the top 10

i suppose we're probably about ready to give tretter 8-9 million per year too

and langs probably going to get what sitton got if not more

JustinH made a good point, because this is an extension of his current deal, he will average $10 mil per year for those 5 years. So he is getting Top 10 money, not Top 5.

Plus all numbers so far are the hyped agent top line numbers. I bet the Packers are protected in this.

[red]

3 guards make over 10 million a year

guards 4,5,6,7 are around 8 million

8,9,10 are around 7 mill

11-15 are 6.6 million to 5.3 million

centers

the top 5 make between 8.8 and 9.4 million

#6 makes 8.3

7 and 8 make about 7.5

9 and 10 are around 6.3

[red]

JustinH made a good point, because this is an extension of his current deal, he will average $10 mil per year for those 5 years. So he is getting Top 10 money, not Top 5.

Plus all numbers so far are the hyped agent top line numbers. I bet the Packers are protected in this.

yeah that extra year helps a bit. 12 million would be nuts, 10 million is just a lot

he's still overpaid IMO, but it doesn't seem as bad when you factor in that its actually 50 million over 5 years, not 4

[red]

so a quick rough guess has tretter at 6.5 to 9 million probably

and lang maybe at 7-8 maybe

add in bahks 10, and bulagas 7 or so. thats a ton of money for the o-line

like i said somewhere on here, we could let lang and bulaga go, or all 3 if tretter costs that much too

then we're back to square one and rebuilding the line