Win of My Win, Loss of My Loss

[Guest]

This is how I see the NFC playing out. The AFC is such as stodgy conference that it is extremely stony to give a fuck about it.

North
Packers 15-1: Pack fans, time to book your hotel room, buy your tickets and get your Purple Drank ready, cos, Houston, here comes the Pack!

Vikings 8-8: Johnny Football would look good in purple. Fortunately for the Packers, Bears and Lions, Zimmers dislikes QBs who like rap music.

Bears 7-9: Tis' Cutler's last stand.

Lions 4-12: A lost season. Lions head coach in 2017: J-Mac. "We're just trying to win the motherfucking game!" Classic.

West
49ers 11-5: Kap returns to form and ignites a revolution, and he continues to sit/knee gallantly each time the anthem - a song that lyrically entices "American" imperialism, capitalism and racism - plays.

Cardinals: 10-6: Ain't got nothin' to say 'bout this team, so allow me to quote Coldplay: Lying in the gutter, aiming for the moon/Trying to empty out the ocean with a spoon...

Rams 6-10: Goff struggles so much, he starts reading Mein Kampf.

Seahawks 3-13: Shakespeare said it best: War? I hate the word as I hate hell and all Seagulls.”

East
Giants 12-4: Giants offense becomes the greatest show on earth since NWA.

Redcoats 7-9: "You like that?!?!" sounds awfully a lot like something taken right out of a John Holmes flick. I am not sure what's more offensive, "Redskins" or Ottawa "Redblacks".

Cowboys 6-10: Cowboys start season 0-10. Injury-prone Romo returns in week 11 and Cowboys win next 6.

Eagles 2-14: Eagles tanks the season to draft LSU hotshot RB Leonard Fournette #1 overall. Problem is, they've traded away their 2017 1st rounder in the Wentz deal. Oh well, perhaps the Vikes will finish 1-15.

South:
Panthers 11-5: Newton is even more arrogant that Aaron Rodgers. Hey Cam, learn to win with grace in your heart and flowers in your hair. Ditto, Claymaker.

Falcons 10-6: Ryan is, without a doubt, the coolest QB in the NFL.

Saints 7-9: Brees throws for an NFL record 7,000-plus passing yards; Saints lack defense.

Bucs 3-13: Bucs should move to Orlando and change their name to the Orlando Breakers.

Playoffs
Wildcard:
49ers over Falcons
Panthers over Cardinals

Divisional:
Packers over Panthers
49ers over Giants

NFC Title:
Packers over 49ers

Super Bowl:
Packers over Patriots

[Pugger]

No, no, no!!! Hadn't you heard? We lost our starting LG so now we're screwed and will be fighting the Lions for the NFCN basement.

/sarcasm off

[scharpcheddar]

No, no, no!!! Hadn't you heard? We lost our starting LG so now we're screwed and will be fighting the Lions for the NFCN basement.

/sarcasm off

Doesn't help either.
If every little bit help.
Every little bit hurts too

[Anti-Polar Bear]

No, no, no!!! Hadn't you heard? We lost our starting LG so now we're screwed and will be fighting the Lions for the NFCN basement.

/sarcasm off

I still remember the time when Thompson led Wahle and Rivera to the guillotine and had them beheaded, figuratively of course. 4-12 was the consequence. Sure, Fisher started at RB and Chatman at WR. I think Taco Wallace played a bunch that season, as did fans favorite Sam Gado. But...OG was far and wide and up and down the weakest link on offense.

I ain't too happy with Sitton's release, but I think the Pack will be fine this time around. The beanstalking Spriggs will be the starting LG before season ends. Mark my words.

[wist43]

I still remember the time when Thompson led Wahle and Rivera to the guillotine and had them beheaded, figuratively of course. 4-12 was the consequence. Sure, Fisher started at RB and Chatman at WR. I think Taco Wallace played a bunch that season, as did fans favorite Sam Gado. But...OG was far and wide and up and down the weakest link on offense.

I ain't too happy with Sitton's release, but I think the Pack will be fine this time around. The beanstalking Spriggs will be the starting LG before season ends. Mark my words.

Yes, but by seasons end - will Rodgers still be in one piece??

Ted and Mike have always liked to futz around with the OL... they'd rather have an average-to below average player who can play multiple positions, as opposed to a true G or T that could step up and play at a higher level but would be limited to either G or T. As a result, if one player goes down the entire line gets shuffled and it takes too much time to gel (IMO). Rodgers ends up running for his life most of the time, and we habitually put up 40 yds rushing as a team.

Add to that the fact that they don't like OL who can run block for the sake of run blocking. They prefer dancing bears who do little more than get in the way, and then hope the RB can pick a hole.

ProFootballWeekly ranked the Packer line at 16th in the league - and I thought that was a generous ranking. Booting Sitton certainly won't help anything.

Losing Sitton moves us from a middle of the pack OL, to a bottom third team. Hopefully Rodgers doesn't get KO'd early in the season while the OL is trying to learn on the fly.

[smuggler]

No way in hell are the 49ers winning 11 games. Going .500 would be a success for them in that division. Same with the Giants winning 12. Their top is 10.

[scharpcheddar]

Cardinals / Giants / Saints /
Seahawks / Cowboys / Falcons /
Rams / Redskins / Panthers /
Niners / Eagles / Bucs /

Vikings
packers
Bears
Lions

[Anti-Polar Bear]

No way in hell are the 49ers winning 11 games. Going .500 would be a success for them in that division. Same with the Giants winning 12. Their top is 10.

Trust me, there's going to be a team (or two) that will rise above its peonical caste and surprise us with an overachieving season. Happens every season.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Yes, but by seasons end - will Rodgers still be in one piece??

Ted and Mike have always liked to futz around with the OL... they'd rather have an average-to below average player who can play multiple positions, as opposed to a true G or T that could step up and play at a higher level but would be limited to either G or T. As a result, if one player goes down the entire line gets shuffled and it takes too much time to gel (IMO). Rodgers ends up running for his life most of the time, and we habitually put up 40 yds rushing as a team.

Add to that the fact that they don't like OL who can run block for the sake of run blocking. They prefer dancing bears who do little more than get in the way, and then hope the RB can pick a hole.

ProFootballWeekly ranked the Packer line at 16th in the league - and I thought that was a generous ranking. Booting Sitton certainly won't help anything.

Losing Sitton moves us from a middle of the pack OL, to a bottom third team. Hopefully Rodgers doesn't get KO'd early in the season while the OL is trying to learn on the fly.

Thompson appears to subscribe to the theory that guards are expendable. Beheading Wahle and Rivera is an example. No, the Packers were never in a cap hell. Yes, Thompson could've easily retained both Wahle and Rivera simply by cooking the cap a bit, as I proved via logic - numbers and figures - in my past arguments with Patler.

Klemm and Whitticker debunked the theory that guards are expendable.

[Carolina_Packer]

Time warp...

[pbmax]

Thompson appears to subscribe to the theory that guards are expendable. Beheading Wahle and Rivera is an example. No, the Packers were never in a cap hell. Yes, Thompson could've easily retained both Wahle and Rivera simply by cooking the cap a bit, as I proved via logic - numbers and figures - in my past arguments with Patler.

Klemm and Whitticker debunked the theory that guards are expendable.

Funny what time does to memory.

Do you mean Partial?

http://packerrats.com/showthread.php?931-Manuel-Collins-The-right-fit&p=18772&viewfull=1#post18772

[Pugger]

Trust me, there's going to be a team (or two) that will rise above its peonical caste and surprise us with an overachieving season. Happens every season.

Maybe so but I think the team on the other side of the Bay will make the playoffs before the 49ers do.

[Patler]

I still remember the time when Thompson led Wahle and Rivera to the guillotine and had them beheaded, figuratively of course. 4-12 was the consequence. Sure, Fisher started at RB and Chatman at WR. I think Taco Wallace played a bunch that season, as did fans favorite Sam Gado. But...OG was far and wide and up and down the weakest link on offense.

Mike Sherman lead them to the guillotine, and the blade was falling when TT got there. TT was powerless to stop it.

Lest you forget, after releasing Wahle, not signing Rivera and releasing Ruegamer (and later re-signing him to a cheaper contract) they still were not under the salary cap until Sharper was released after refusing to renegotiate his salary cap hit for the coming year. TT had few to no options other than letting both guards leave considering the market each had that year.

[Patler]

Thompson appears to subscribe to the theory that guards are expendable. Beheading Wahle and Rivera is an example. No, the Packers were never in a cap hell. Yes, Thompson could've easily retained both Wahle and Rivera simply by cooking the cap a bit, as I proved via logic - numbers and figures - in my past arguments with Patler.

As I recall, you (I think it was you, maybe someone else?) suggested a number of contract restuctures in a discussion with me, and I went through most and explained why it couldn't be done, including an article from JSO or somewhere that explained that the CBA prohibited another restructure of Favre's contract because it had been restructured shortly before and couldn't be again for another year or something. Others you suggested were in final years or had bonuses that would automatically accelerate into the current year under the CBA at the time. The Packers were hamstrung in all their large contracts except for Sharper, and he refused to restructure. When he refused, the Packers only hope was if Wahle or Rivera agreed to a very team friendly contract. There were said to have focused on Rivera as the one who might, but then Dallas blew them out of the water with a big contract and a big guarantee.

[texaspackerbacker]

Doesn't that scenario in the original post result in Fournette becoming the new Adrian Peterson in Minnesota?

You got the Giants and the Niners way up there? No Way. (I understand you are a purveyor of sarcasm, but seriously?)

The Panthers are still right there with the Packers; The Seahawks are still gonna win the West with the Cardinals second. The Cowboys would seem to have everything but a QB, but I see them as better with Prescott than they would have been with Romo. They should win the East easily.