Do we have a Rodgers problem?

[Bossman641]

Good article

It really is puzzling. I don't know if it's overconfidence on the part of MM or Rodgers. We run the same 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 RB package for basically 70% of the offense with the same personnel nearly every time. What good is it to not substitute and force the D to keep their same guys on the field if that package isn't producing.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Good article

It really is puzzling. I don't know if it's overconfidence on the part of MM or Rodgers. We run the same 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 RB package for basically 70% of the offense with the same personnel nearly every time. What good is it to not substitute and force the D to keep their same guys on the field if that package isn't producing.

Maybe Stubby has bought into the Lombardi philosophy of keeping it basic but executing to perfection. From his point of view the problem is not inability to fool the opposition but lack of execution.

[Zool]

I don't want to dig through this whole thread, but here's a good article on the O struggles

https://theringer.com/something-is-w...3a7#.p7zmuvmvw

[Fritz]

They were smart enough to go for the strip sacks, and Rodgers didn't pick up on that and secure the ball. Yeah, obviously he and Nelson weren't on the same page. However, I really thought Nelson looked slow too. I didn't see him get any separation all game, and those weren't exactly superstar Corners. Tretter not being strong enough is an over-simplification of the O Line problem. The whole group had very very few successes on run blocking, and they let the pass rush through like water just about all the time. There's hardly a game that does not happen. Rodgers' mobility is what masks the problem and wins games anyway. The Vikings found a way to deal with that mobility.

Not using Abbrederis or Montgomery is just another way for McCarthy to put a leash on Rodgers - why the hell he would want to do that I really don't know, as weak O line and all, Rodgers can make plays. He proved that again in desperation time. Why they would be so stupid as to not let him do that for 3 1/2 quarters is really mystifying.

Tex,

You've been going really hard at this idea that the O line is primarily to blame for the Packer Offense's troubles. So I have been thinking about that...and I went back to 2014, when Rodgers won his last MVP and the team almost made it to the SB.

Who were the offensive linemen?

Bahktieri, Sitton, Lang, Bulaga, and - was it Linsley's rookie year? And Bulaga was hurt for awhile, so I'm trying to remember for how long and if it was Barclay was subbing before he got hurt. Or was it Tretter?

The point is, of course, that this is the same group of linemen blocking for Rodgers, sans Sitton, as blocked for him when he was the MVP.

Unless you are positing that they've gotten considerably worse since 2014, I'm not sure how you can make your argument. And if you are arguing they've gotten worse, that'd be tough to defend since none of them are now yet 30, and Sitton just turned 30 before he was let go.

I just don't see how you can make this argument.

[gbgary]

when Rodgers holds the ball 2.5 seconds and longer the o-line will finally break down. any line will break down. the cowboys supposedly have the best o-line and their qbs are running for their lives too. as for the line in the running game i think it's fine...depending on the type of run play called. nowadays defenses are so fast in pursuit that edge runs are seldom successful. straight ahead works better.

btw...our o would be a lot less predictable if Rodgers worked from under center more. imo

[Carolina_Packer]

when Rodgers holds the ball 2.5 seconds and longer the o-line will finally break down. any line will break down. the cowboys supposedly have the best o-line and their qbs are running for their lives too. as for the line in the running game i think it's fine...depending on the type of run play called. nowadays defenses are so fast in pursuit that edge runs are seldom successful. straight ahead works better.

btw...our o would be a lot less predictable if Rodgers worked from under center more. imo

QFT...I really liked that article that Zool posted. It does indicate, at least implicitly, that there is a stubbornness to the offensive approach that MM and AR are taking. The article obviously points more to AR's decision making, indicating that there were man beater concepts used, even if AR did not always "take what was being given". There is a quote about being a victim of your own success. Perhaps that's some of what we are seeing now. The "This has always worked!" approach can keep one from necessarily adapting to present circumstances.

[Maxie the Taxi]

MM has earned his nickname "Stubby."

[Pugger]

IMO one thing Aaron and the offense could do that would cure a lot of what ails us is to take what the defense gives you instead of looking for the big play. I hate it when we throw down field on 3rd and short when Aaron could scamper for the first down or throw it underneath.

[Fritz]

MM has earned his nickname "Stubby."

Wait, I thought that was about his penis size.

[swede]

Wait, I thought that was about his penis size.

It's pronounced "penis" Fritz. Didn't you ask questions in health class?

[Fritz]

When I was in school, we didn't have "health class." We had shop.

[hoosier]

In middle school I had a shop teacher who lost part of his hand in an electrical mishap. His nickname could have been Stubby.

[Fritz]

Back when I was a kid, we didn't have no big-headed ego-maniac quarterbacks.





We had us a real quarterback. You ditnt have to worry about him gettin' all touchy and whatnot. He jes played the game.

[texaspackerbacker]

Tex,

You've been going really hard at this idea that the O line is primarily to blame for the Packer Offense's troubles. So I have been thinking about that...and I went back to 2014, when Rodgers won his last MVP and the team almost made it to the SB.

Who were the offensive linemen?

Bahktieri, Sitton, Lang, Bulaga, and - was it Linsley's rookie year? And Bulaga was hurt for awhile, so I'm trying to remember for how long and if it was Barclay was subbing before he got hurt. Or was it Tretter?

The point is, of course, that this is the same group of linemen blocking for Rodgers, sans Sitton, as blocked for him when he was the MVP.

Unless you are positing that they've gotten considerably worse since 2014, I'm not sure how you can make your argument. And if you are arguing they've gotten worse, that'd be tough to defend since none of them are now yet 30, and Sitton just turned 30 before he was let go.

I just don't see how you can make this argument.

I guess this is the post you were talking about. As I replied in the other thread, the problem is the drift toward a run first attack. Even in 2014, our O Line couldn't just line up and push back opponents. Then, though, they had the benefit of more of a pass first attack so the O Line inadequacy was masked a lot more than now.

[Fritz]

So as I replied in the other post, your previous criticisms seemed leveled at the offensive line period, but now you seem to be shifting to a criticism of McCarthy's playcalling, though I suppose you perhaps are arguing he used to call plays to mask the deficiency of the line, but doesn't any longer.

I'm not buying that line, myself. But I think you're on the right track insofar as understanding that this is a complex issue - the parts are all moving and interactive, so it's kinda hard to actually pin it on one person or even one group.

However, this does not stop me from simply blaming Rodgers. It's so much easier because the solution is so much easier. Play better, Rodgers! Quit missing those open receivers!

Ah, but in truth, of course, it's a number of factors.