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  • #61
    Get a room, you two.

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    • #62
      I notice that what goes second in old age (I'm not talking about the first) is the eyes. Arod needs to have his eyes checked. A good pair of bi-focal contacts and we're back in business. I prefer the blended lenses myself, but most of the time I can't find my glasses in the morning anyway, so that might not matter much.
      One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
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      • #63
        Originally posted by Maxie the Taxi View Post
        I notice that what goes second in old age (I'm not talking about the first) is the eyes. Arod needs to have his eyes checked. A good pair of bi-focal contacts and we're back in business. I prefer the blended lenses myself, but most of the time I can't find my glasses in the morning anyway, so that might not matter much.
        My eyes went first........
        Last edited by Patler; 09-19-2016, 12:35 PM.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Patler View Post
          and once again, you edit a quote to support your skewed reasoning. What I wrote was "Perhaps you think an athlete being in his prime is age related, I have always thought it was a performance thing."


          I take a position on age too. I like it. Age is a good thing. Getting old is a good thing. Being really old is a good thing. I speak from experience (which comes with age). However, I'm not sure how much I want to discuss my performance and age. It's kind of personal.

          Holy cows, my experience has been quite different.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Rastak View Post
            Holy cows, my experience has been quite different.
            I firmly embrace that saying that getting old is better than the only alternative.

            There is a commercial on TV that I sort of like. The person says; "I intend to live forever, and so far I am right on course!"

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Patler View Post
              I firmly embrace that saying that getting old is better than the only alternative.

              There is a commercial on TV that I sort of like. The person says; "I intend to live forever, and so far I am right on course!"
              Ok, you got me there.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Rutnstrut View Post
                Could it be that Rodgers just isn't as good as everyone thought? Perhaps he's just really good, not great. His great seasons could have just been a "perfect storm" of things going his way.
                there's too big a sample size for that opinion. just like pitchers he might be going through a thing. look at his old film and see if there's something different.

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                • #68
                  The next 4 home games will be very telling. All last year I was hesitant to call it a Rodgers problem due to everything else that was going on. While the WR's haven't been wide open, there have been windows. He missed both Nelson and Adams deep and both times the throws were too long and too far to the outside. Adams still doesn't look great, but he looks a lot more explosive then last year. Rodgers also missed Cobb high on third down coming across the middle, and there was the weird timing throw with Cook where Rodgers should have waited for Cook to clear the LB and instead threw it behind Cook.

                  The offense all too often comes down to a back shoulder throw or a scramble drill. I'm going to try to track the pre-snap formations next week. I don't remember any stack formations or motion from yesterday but I'm not 100% sure.
                  Go PACK

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Rutnstrut View Post
                    Could it be that Rodgers just isn't as good as everyone thought? Perhaps he's just really good, not great. His great seasons could have just been a "perfect storm" of things going his way.
                    Originally posted by gbgary View Post
                    there's too big a sample size for that opinion. just like pitchers he might be going through a thing. look at his old film and see if there's something different.
                    But now there is a growing sample size of evidence that Rodgers is not great any more. Since week 7 of last year he's been performing at Jay Cutter levels. Something happened, and I really think it was a brutal hit on a sack early in the Denver game. He's not had the same accuracy, and honestly, not the same zip on the ball as he did before.

                    Unless this changes soon, we may as well put Hundley in.
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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by MadScientist View Post
                      But now there is a growing sample size of evidence that Rodgers is not great any more. Since week 7 of last year he's been performing at Jay Cutter levels. Something happened, and I really think it was a brutal hit on a sack early in the Denver game. He's not had the same accuracy, and honestly, not the same zip on the ball as he did before.

                      Unless this changes soon, we may as well put Hundley in.
                      Like everyone, I see the change in accuracy. I'm not at all convinced that we can't win 10 or 11 games with this version of Rodgers. In fact, I would be surprised if we were not a playoff contender with Rodgers.

                      On the other hand, I think we would win at least 2 less games with any other QB on our roster. The team is talented enough to win 7 or 8 with a mediocre QB. It's better, in my opinion, than the team that won 2 games while Rodgers was out a couple of years ago, especially defensively.

                      I would not like to find out how well we would do with Hundley, because Rodgers is still conservatively better than 20 QBs in this league.

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                      • #71
                        I started a thread last season about Aaron's lackluster performance. Seems like about half the people thought I was being silly, and overreacting. Most everyone has come around now. Basically against a top 15 defense we have come to expect 200 yds, 1td 2 TOS, 55%completion rate. His mechanics are poor, his accuracy is poor, and he isn't making great decisions.
                        I blame the three headed monster of TT-MM-AR. This is their creation. Limited personnel, uninventive scheme and execution. It's actually really depressing, and I'm not sure there is a way to fix it before Aaron retires. The truth is this is not a good offense anymore. And it's too bad.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Patler View Post
                          and once again, you edit a quote to support your skewed reasoning. What I wrote was "Perhaps you think an athlete being in his prime is age related, I have always thought it was a performance thing."
                          I have no idea if you think Rodgers problems are age-related. I guess you express no opinion on that matter. Who knows what a "performance thing" means?

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by gbgary View Post
                            rodgers problem? maybe a little. he's off a bit but guys aren't getting open either. EVERYONE is playing us tight press coverage. we used to eat defenses up cuz they'd play a lot of zone or give us space in man. defenses respected our guy's abilities. not so much now. our guys have to fight to get open cuz their being grabbed and pulled the whole time. on the opposite side of the ball our DBs are letting guys run free.
                            This. If our DBs did to other teams' WRs what they do to ours you'll see laundry all over the field.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby View Post
                              I have no idea if you think Rodgers problems are age-related. I guess you express no opinion on that matter. Who knows what a "performance thing" means?
                              Let's break that down:

                              Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby View Post
                              I have no idea if you think Rodgers problems are age-related.
                              Then why did you make age-related conclusions (mostly incorrect) about my statements that did not reference age?


                              Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby View Post
                              I guess you express no opinion on that matter.
                              Of course not, that's why I made specific statements about my opinion on age.


                              Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby View Post
                              Who knows what a "performance thing" means?
                              I know what it means and I suspect most who read my comments know what it means in the context of what I wrote. For others, reading comprehension can be a challengs.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by MadScientist View Post
                                But now there is a growing sample size of evidence that Rodgers is not great any more. Since week 7 of last year he's been performing at Jay Cutter levels. Something happened, and I really think it was a brutal hit on a sack early in the Denver game. He's not had the same accuracy, and honestly, not the same zip on the ball as he did before.

                                Unless this changes soon, we may as well put Hundley in.
                                Agreed. I think he has lost his nerve. He certainly has lost his touch.

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