Bright spots and dull spots 1/4 season mark....

[Joemailman]

Huh? You say it was Rodgers' fault that Adams pulled his hands down from that pass? smh

That was a bad pass. If you're going to throw it that hard from such a short distance, it has to be between the numbers. Many times in the past, Rodgers has carried this team. Right now, this team is carrying Rodgers.

[SMBASS]

Rodgers is at the very bottom of the list of starting QB's in the league right now with a completion percentage of 56.1%. There is definitely something wrong with this guy and it's been going on for quite a while now. I don't buy into this crap about chemistry and timing either. They're pros for goodness sakes and he's a seasoned veteran who's been with most of these receivers for multiple years now.

Sam Bradford is 2nd in the league with a completion percentage of 70.4% and he's only been with the team and his receivers for a few weeks now. Hell, he also had to learn an entirely new offense in that time. Rookies like Dak Prescott are at 69%, Carson Wentz is at 67.4%. etc... Good grief, Trevor Siemian is at 67.3%. I wouldn't necessarily say that these guys have all world receiving corps either so I'm not going to blame it all on our receivers. At some point you have to start looking at Rodgers and Stubby for the majority of the offensive problems.

In addition, I think the OL has been adequate to good and given him plenty of time to throw for the most part so I don't think the problem lies with them either. We've seen Rodgers play better in the past when he spent half of his time running for his life because the line was so porous.

[pbmax]

That was a bad pass. If you're going to throw it that hard from such a short distance, it has to be between the numbers. Many times in the past, Rodgers has carried this team. Right now, this team is carrying Rodgers.

It wasn't a good pass. But it was eminently catchable. He had to pull his arms away to avoid it.

[pbmax]

There is definitely something wrong with Rodgers. But be careful comparing him to the dregs of the League. His completion percentage is terrible, but the Packers Offense is 12th in scoring. Just barely over League average.

I have seen terrible QB play. This is only a simulacrum.

As to the cause I still say its the no huddle, with its completely predictable routes, spacing and run plays. Problem is, when Lacy got hurt, its all they ran with Starks. Brutal.

[Rutnstrut]

I would say that a lot of the problem with Rodgers is stubby.

[King Friday]

As to the cause I still say its the no huddle, with its completely predictable routes, spacing and run plays. Problem is, when Lacy got hurt, its all they ran with Starks. Brutal.

The no huddle causes inaccurate passes? There were several times that receivers were open...thanks to the blocking of the OL giving plays extended time...but Rodgers completely misfired on passes that an MVP caliber QB should be making 90%+ of the time. I don't follow the logic that says the inaccuracy is due to the no huddle offense.

Now, the receivers not getting separation...ok, I can buy into that. However, that doesn't explain hot garbage throwing from Rodgers.

[Maxie the Taxi]

I don't know what the problem is, but I agree there is a problem...somewhere. My eyes saw Arod have plenty of time and space to throw. They also saw WR's covered like a blanket a good deal of the time. When Arod was on the mark with a pass in those instances, the receiver had to contest for the ball with the defender. As I think back, this has been pretty much the story for quite some time.

Maybe Arod has lost something, but I don't think he's the entire problem or even mostly responsible. My guess is that we didn't really appreciate the talent we had at WR when we were hip deep in it. At their prime, Jennings, Nelson and Cobb were the best in the league. Now Cobb may have lost a step. Nelson is not his old self yet. And we know Adams is no Greg Jennings.

[King Friday]

It wasn't a good pass. But it was eminently catchable. He had to pull his arms away to avoid it.

So you do not think Adams did that because he believed it might be targeting someone else behind him since it was so far off the mark?

[SMBASS]

There is definitely something wrong with Rodgers. But be careful comparing him to the dregs of the League. His completion percentage is terrible, but the Packers Offense is 12th in scoring. Just barely over League average.

I have seen terrible QB play. This is only a simulacrum.

As to the cause I still say its the no huddle, with its completely predictable routes, spacing and run plays. Problem is, when Lacy got hurt, its all they ran with Starks. Brutal.

Agree pb. I'm not at all trying to say that these other QB's are better than Rodgers. Just making a point of how, "Un-Rodgers like" he's been playing. I'm also tired of hearing all the other excuses that shift the blame to everyone else but him. I understand that even a great player is going to have a bad game here and there and not live up to the extremely high standard he's set with his past play but how many games or what time frame starts to constitute a pattern instead of an anomaly? He's jumping in the air when he throws, getting happy feet when it's not warranted, not pulling the trigger and holding the ball too long, throwing a lot of terribly inaccurate passes, and sometimes just refusing to take what the D is giving him and going for the big play instead.

I'm of the opinion that a lot of it has to do with Stubby more than Rodgers but something is not right with the way he's been playing for awhile now.

[King Friday]

I don't know what the problem is, but I agree there is a problem...somewhere. My eyes saw Arod have plenty of time and space to throw. They also saw WR's covered like a blanket a good deal of the time. When Arod was on the mark with a pass in those instances, the receiver had to contest for the ball with the defender. As I think back, this has been pretty much the story for quite some time.

Maybe Arod has lost something, but I don't think he's the entire problem or even mostly responsible. My guess is that we didn't really appreciate the talent we had at WR when we were hip deep in it. At their prime, Jennings, Nelson and Cobb were the best in the league. Now Cobb may have lost a step. Nelson is not his old self yet. And we know Adams is no Greg Jennings.

I don't buy the WR talent argument. Tom Brady has performed at an elite level for years throwing to a bunch of castoffs, by and large...with a less effective OL in front of him to boot.

Rodgers has the knowledge and talent to work with to be significantly better than he's shown so far this year. Making excuses on receiving talent doesn't cut it for me.

[pbmax]

It explains a lot. When they mixed personnel and formations, guys came free immediately.

The no huddle, with no personnel switches and no motion, is entirely predictable and easy for the defense to read and adapt. They can game plan to do whatever they want to that offense because its so vanilla.

If you believe reports, the design is then for Rodgers to improvise and buy time to find an open receiver. Easiest to do when someone can threaten deep, which doesn't happen often anymore.

But that's not an offense, that is a playground game. When the Packers had overwhelming WR talent, they could make it work. But it also worked because it was the backup option. They had a functioning, patterned offense to play off of. So it was something the defense could not prepare for solely.

We have seen this before. In Rodger's breakout season, he was having a terrible time with the passing offense, holding the ball too long and sliding into pressure inside the pocket. McCarthy, after weeks of denying it was necessary, adjusted the offense with diversity and some (not a lot, but some) shorter throws. Boom, offense takes off and beats the Cowboys.

The wait around and scramble offense hasn't worked versus anyone since the first half of Week 6. Its been dead against good teams for 2 years. Rodgers knows no one is getting open early, he sometimes moves himself into trouble in the pocket, bails early and misses receivers when they do (rarely) come open. He is pressing and it shows, just like in 2009.

The terrible design of the offense has broken the QB as it did in 2009. At some point McCarthy might decide its important to do what works for the talent he has.

And I think there is a chance. We saw some of it easy versus Detroit and the Giants. He has also adjusted the 4-8 minute offense to include passing for first downs. The season isn't too old for adjustments yet.

[King Friday]

The wait around and scramble offense hasn't worked versus anyone since the first half of Week 6. Its been dead against good teams for 2 years. Rodgers knows no one is getting open early, he sometimes moves himself into trouble in the pocket, bails early and misses receivers when they do (rarely) come open.

And if what you say is correct, then neither Aaron Rodgers or Mike McCarthy...the 2 guys running this offensive show...really don't know how to fix the issues.

By this point, a competent coach and QB combo would've figured out how to fix this. So, that would suggest that we don't have a competent coach and QB combo.

[SMBASS]

I would say that a lot of the problem with Rodgers is stubby.

I blame it on Olivia Munn! Lol!

[beveaux1]

It explains a lot. When they mixed personnel and formations, guys came free immediately.

The no huddle, with no personnel switches and no motion, is entirely predictable and easy for the defense to read and adapt. They can game plan to do whatever they want to that offense because its so vanilla.

If you believe reports, the design is then for Rodgers to improvise and buy time to find an open receiver. Easiest to do when someone can threaten deep, which doesn't happen often anymore.

But that's not an offense, that is a playground game. When the Packers had overwhelming WR talent, they could make it work. But it also worked because it was the backup option. They had a functioning, patterned offense to play off of. So it was something the defense could not prepare for solely.

We have seen this before. In Rodger's breakout season, he was having a terrible time with the passing offense, holding the ball too long and sliding into pressure inside the pocket. McCarthy, after weeks of denying it was necessary, adjusted the offense with diversity and some (not a lot, but some) shorter throws. Boom, offense takes off and beats the Cowboys.

The wait around and scramble offense hasn't worked versus anyone since the first half of Week 6. Its been dead against good teams for 2 years. Rodgers knows no one is getting open early, he sometimes moves himself into trouble in the pocket, bails early and misses receivers when they do (rarely) come open. He is pressing and it shows, just like in 2009.

The terrible design of the offense has broken the QB as it did in 2009. At some point McCarthy might decide its important to do what works for the talent he has.

And I think there is a chance. We saw some of it easy versus Detroit and the Giants. He has also adjusted the 4-8 minute offense to include passing for first downs. The season isn't too old for adjustments yet.

I would add that the no- huddle requires a RB to check blitz pick up then move out as a safety valve. Rodgers either doesn't take the check off, doesn't trust the RB, or misses the throw, which contributes to is low percentage. That RB is usually open.

[SMBASS]

I would add that the no- huddle requires a RB to check blitz pick up then move out as a safety valve. Rodgers either doesn't take the check off, doesn't trust the RB, or misses the throw, which contributes to is low percentage. That RB is usually open.

No kidding. I can't even remember the last time we ever completed a pass to a running back that wasn't a planned screen. Opposing linebackers don't even have to worry about the responsibility of covering a back out of the backfield so they can just drop back into coverage and help clog up the middle of the field to take away underneath crossing patterns and slants. I've never understood why we don't utilize the running backs in our passing game the way NE and some other teams do. Unfortunately Rodgers has never been very good at those swing passes to a back or even lateral wide receiver screen plays. For some reason he gets the yips and goes all Steve Sax/Chuck Knoblauch on those type of throws.