Bright spots and dull spots 1/4 season mark....

[Tony Oday]

I think AR will work it out but how about Peppers? Seems to be a non-factor this year.

[Patler]

So you do not think Adams did that because he believed it might be targeting someone else behind him since it was so far off the mark?

Of course he did. But, Adams is the current whipping boy on here, so when ever possible, he will be blamed.

I'm not even convinced he could have gotten it if he hadn't backed off. That pass was as bad as a few of Mannings were last night.

[texaspackerbacker]

There's still a lot of guys in here talking like the sky is falling or something. We're 3-1 with the only loss a close game to an unbeaten team playing inspired football in the opener of their new stadium. A helluva lot of good teams are a lot worse off.

Yeah, Rodgers was a bit off target - it happens. Yeah, the receivers didn't get open especially against the Giants - that was partly good D; Things like Jordy dropping catchable balls ain't likely to continue. As for the low completion percentage, I see a lot of throwaways - avoidance of interceptions - would we want it any other way when nobody is open? I see improvement in Adams - another of my least favorite players. I don't think he lacks heart, just judgment sometimes. I still want to see more of Janis and Abbrederis. Somebody needs to step up and get open (and get the opportunity to play).

On the good side, our O Line even impressed me, possibly their biggest critic, in the Giants game. Hopefully that will continue. And Lacy has been running like a beast - hopefully the ankle won't mess that up. I don't see Starks as nearly as bad as lot of people seem to. It's more like comparison to the improved Lacy. Starks was close to some big plays, and I think he will do at least as well as recent seasons.

I agree, McCarthy's play calling leaves something to be desired. I like the no-huddle though, and I like the fact that he moved slightly toward a pass-first attack last week. I think that had a lot to do with Lacy having holes to run, although he did most of it himself after being hit.

On defense, what more do you guys want? Yeah, the young ILBs got outsmarted a couple times - they will learn and improve. Yeah, Peppers looks way over the hill, but there are a helluva lot of others at his spot who have really stepped up - Perry, D. Jones, Fackerell, Elliot. Yeah, Randall has sucked and Shields may or may not come back, but I really like the way Rollins and Gunter have played; Hyde seems to do a lot better at slot corner than safety; And these UDFAs, Hawkins and Brice seem decent too.

The only thing that really seems hopeless is the damn punter. Who in the hell made the decision to cut Mortell and Masthay and pick up this piece of crap? What do they see in him? There probably are a couple dozen better punters out there on the street right now - including Mortell and Masthay.

As I've said several times, there's winning, and there's maximizing things. McCarthy doesn't seem to care to maximize, just to slide by and win. That's frustrating and occasionally risky for actually getting beat, but things could be a helluva lot worse off - like for about 8 or 10 top teams that have messed up and another dozen or so lesser teams who don't even have the horses to come close.

[Rutnstrut]

I think AR will work it out but how about Peppers? Seems to be a non-factor this year.

He was barely a factor last year. AsI've said for awhile, he takesmoreplays off than any other player I have seen. They should have cut his old,worthless ass.

[Cheesehead Craig]

He was barely a factor last year. AsI've said for awhile, he takesmoreplays off than any other player I have seen. They should have cut his old,worthless ass.

He's obviously done after this season. At this point he's just a guy who can play some downs and keep guys fresh. He's been a great vet leader and teacher in the locker room though. With a perpetually young roster, he's been worth it. Take him for what he is at this point.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

He was barely a factor last year. AsI've said for awhile, he takesmoreplays off than any other player I have seen. They should have cut his old,worthless ass.

Barely a factor? J-Pepp led the Pack in sacks last season, for fuck's sake! Was the only consistent pass rusher with the Claymaker stuck at ILB.

Taking plays off? Apparently, you've never seen the Claymaker play OLB. Claymaker played, what, 25 snaps against the Giants? What the fuck! Claymaker the OLB is prone to taking himself out of the game, which is pretty much taking plays off. Watt and Sherman's V-Mill never take themselves out of the game!

For one reason or another, Peppers is only making token appearances nowadays. Hard to inflate stats when you ain't getting a whole lotta reps.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

There's still a lot of guys in here talking like the sky is falling or something. We're 3-1 with the only loss a close game to an unbeaten team playing inspired football in the opener of their new stadium. A helluva lot of good teams are a lot worse off.

Yeah, Rodgers was a bit off target - it happens. Yeah, the receivers didn't get open especially against the Giants - that was partly good D; Things like Jordy dropping catchable balls ain't likely to continue. As for the low completion percentage, I see a lot of throwaways - avoidance of interceptions - would we want it any other way when nobody is open? I see improvement in Adams - another of my least favorite players. I don't think he lacks heart, just judgment sometimes. I still want to see more of Janis and Abbrederis. Somebody needs to step up and get open (and get the opportunity to play).

On the good side, our O Line even impressed me, possibly their biggest critic, in the Giants game. Hopefully that will continue. And Lacy has been running like a beast - hopefully the ankle won't mess that up. I don't see Starks as nearly as bad as lot of people seem to. It's more like comparison to the improved Lacy. Starks was close to some big plays, and I think he will do at least as well as recent seasons.

I agree, McCarthy's play calling leaves something to be desired. I like the no-huddle though, and I like the fact that he moved slightly toward a pass-first attack last week. I think that had a lot to do with Lacy having holes to run, although he did most of it himself after being hit.

On defense, what more do you guys want? Yeah, the young ILBs got outsmarted a couple times - they will learn and improve. Yeah, Peppers looks way over the hill, but there are a helluva lot of others at his spot who have really stepped up - Perry, D. Jones, Fackerell, Elliot. Yeah, Randall has sucked and Shields may or may not come back, but I really like the way Rollins and Gunter have played; Hyde seems to do a lot better at slot corner than safety; And these UDFAs, Hawkins and Brice seem decent too.

The only thing that really seems hopeless is the damn punter. Who in the hell made the decision to cut Mortell and Masthay and pick up this piece of crap? What do they see in him? There probably are a couple dozen better punters out there on the street right now - including Mortell and Masthay.

As I've said several times, there's winning, and there's maximizing things. McCarthy doesn't seem to care to maximize, just to slide by and win. That's frustrating and occasionally risky for actually getting beat, but things could be a helluva lot worse off - like for about 8 or 10 top teams that have messed up and another dozen or so lesser teams who don't even have the horses to come close.

Agree that the O needs to be pass-first and pass-happy. Maybe if Rodgers starts passing for 500 yards a game, his mojo will return.

Totally disagree with you assessment of Mr. Hyde. The guy is a fucking abomination at corner and at saftey. He hasn't done shit returning punts and kicks nowadays, too. Against the G-Men, Mr. Hyde's "men" were always open. Luckily Elisha overthrew them or they dropped the rock. There should be a law outlawing Hyde from covering receivers, cos he's to Hadesdamn slow and too Goddamn white (name one other white corner in the NFL).

Btw, to answer your question regarding the punter, Ted "Polar Bear" Thompson. The same incompetent Polar Bear who cut Jon Ryan for "Scott" Frost.

[beveaux1]

Agree that the O needs to be pass-first and pass-happy. Maybe if Rodgers starts passing for 500 yards a game, his mojo will return.

Totally disagree with you assessment of Mr. Hyde. The guy is a fucking abomination at corner and at saftey. He hasn't done shit returning punts and kicks nowadays, too. Against the G-Men, Mr. Hyde's "men" were always open. Luckily Elisha overthrew them or they dropped the rock. There should be a law outlawing Hyde from covering receivers, cos he's to Hadesdamn slow and too Goddamn white (name one other white corner in the NFL).

Btw, to answer your question regarding the punter, Ted "Polar Bear" Thompson. The same incompetent Polar Bear who cut Jon Ryan for "Scott" Frost.

Hyde is not a white corner.

[Airin' Rodgers]

]No kidding. I can't even remember the last time we ever completed a pass to a running back that wasn't a planned screen[/B]. Opposing linebackers don't even have to worry about the responsibility of covering a back out of the backfield so they can just drop back into coverage and help clog up the middle of the field to take away underneath crossing patterns and slants. I've never understood why we don't utilize the running backs in our passing game the way NE and some other teams do. Unfortunately Rodgers has never been very good at those swing passes to a back or even lateral wide receiver screen plays. For some reason he gets the yips and goes all Steve Sax/Chuck Knoblauch on those type of throws.

We completed a pass to a RB that wasn't a planned screen literally like 1 play before we went victory formation. Starks caught it and then tried to hand the ball to the Giants linebacker.

[Carolina_Packer]

I'm not sure how you blame Adams for that...it was an easy pass that should've been on his numbers. The ball was 3 feet over his head...receivers will often let those go thinking it may be to another receiver behind them. Besides, if he tries to get his hands up to make the catch, the same thing that happened to Jordy (which DID result in an INT) could happen by tipping the ball into the air and gifting up an INT.

That play was 100% on Rodgers...not Adams. Rodgers needs to work on his accuracy, because he was WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY off on a number of throws last night. He may be able to hit a net from 50 yards, but he can't seem to throw an accurate pass to a guy 10 yards from him anymore.

I think teams have caught up to his play-action, roll-out. It used to be a killer way for him to create extra time to survey the field, and sometimes get a shot play from it. Seems like now defenses have a guy who rolls with Aaron and gives immediate chase. I don't think they should stop doing this, I think they should use it to setup up some kind of a screen, so he has a hot read on the play instead of it becoming a scramble drill when the defensive guy is bearing down on him, forcing him to reset his feet.

Also, I think since the Denver game last year when he was sacked a bunch, the rush may be in his head. Sometimes it's very real and he needs to move. Sometimes he moves when there is no imminent danger. I would think every time you move your feet and can't immediately get your footwork right, that makes the timing off just enough on the isolation routes.

[Tony Oday]

Oh and can we get an NFL punter?

[King Friday]

We completed a pass to a RB that wasn't a planned screen literally like 1 play before we went victory formation. Starks caught it and then tried to hand the ball to the Giants linebacker.

Yeah...we don't have the RBs to run that kind of stuff. That has been a serious pet peeve of mine in regard to Thompson for quite awhile. He is averse to obtaining RBs who are actually dynamic receivers out of the backfield.

[King Friday]

Oh and can we get an NFL punter?

It's more fun to play a drinking game around which side of the field the shank will wind up.

[denverYooper]

I don't buy the WR talent argument. Tom Brady has performed at an elite level for years throwing to a bunch of castoffs, by and large...with a less effective OL in front of him to boot.

Rodgers has the knowledge and talent to work with to be significantly better than he's shown so far this year. Making excuses on receiving talent doesn't cut it for me.

Yeah, Gronk is a "castoff".

Tom Brady has gone through several "up" and "down" seasons through his career. Like Rodgers, he has gone through seasons where his numbers are record-setting and he has also gone through seasons that would be considered good for the Cutlers of the world but not comparable to top performances. We mostly remember him by highlights, as most fans of other teams remember Rodgers by highlights. He didn't top 100 QB rating until his 7th season and then didn't go over that again until his 10th.

In 2013, a down year for Tom Brady, he had an 87.7 rating, 60.5% completion rating, 25 TDs and 11 INTs.

Rodgers in a down year last year playing without much help at receiver had a 92.7 rating, 60.7% completion, 31 TD, 8 INT. He looks to be struggling in some games this year, but let's see the entire season play out first.

[MadtownPacker]

The problem is practically every fucking play takes forever to develop. Don't these mfers have some quick shit that will give the WRs and even the RBs a chance to RAC up yards. I am sick of it getting chucked deep when a simple dump off for 4 yards would have kept the drive alive. I guess at the end of the day that comes down to M3 but it just seems like lack of discipline overall.