WHAT WOULD YOU DO AT YEAR END ????????

[Bretsky]

Curious where we are at today as our season appears to be nearly fone

[Bretsky]

Curious where everyone stands here. Decide between the following

1. Fire Ted; this camp notes Ted's lack of flexibility is utilizing the three avenues of free agency, trades, and the draft have led to a once elite teams fall to mediocrity in talent
2. Fire MM; he has the talent but has run his course of time and has to a point lost his players....including his star. He was successful; but it's in the teams interest to change
3. We need to blow the ship up; complete rehaul of front office and coaching staff.
4. FIre Dom; he's been given the talent; just does not get best of it. Fix the D and you fix the team
5. Ted has earned the right to stay but it's in everybody's best interest to let him work behind the scenes as a consultant. We've let some great front office talent go and we can't let it happen again. Re assign Ted as a consultant and bring in a new GM, or Eliot Wolf...who will either be Green Bay's GM or leave soon as well. Let the new GM figure out the coaching staff....odds are this means one more year for MM.....and either he succeeds or is fired after they have worked together.

[pbmax]

None of the above.

After careful consideration, Ted and Mike are tied at the hip. I don't want Ted hiring a coach and then retiring in two years. I distrust orgs that force coaching changes on the HC (suggest strongly? OK).

You can't hire a GM and make him live with a with a lame duck HC for one or two years.

You order a review like Maxie suggested, demand that they address the shortcomings and let them run out their contract.

I don't want Hoodie Jr. or Harbaugh who will want final say on the roster and make it even harder to get the GM right. I don't want Payton who has same flaws as McCarthy. I don't want Urban Meyer or Nick Saban.

They will need to hire someone like Jim Bob Cooter and then hope the GM works out as well.

[Bretsky]

So you want to keep both ? IF they do, I see Dom being the fall guy. I see no way in the world changes are ignored

[Bretsky]

And it would not surprise me one bit of Dom is the fall guy along with a couple other misc coaches.

But IMO Ted has failed to keep our talent up to where it was. If he stays and we lose another future GM I will be sick

[Bretsky]

None of the above.

After careful consideration, Ted and Mike are tied at the hip. I don't want Ted hiring a coach and then retiring in two years. I distrust orgs that force coaching changes on the HC (suggest strongly? OK).

You can't hire a GM and make him live with a with a lame duck HC for one or two years.

You order a review like Maxie suggested, demand that they address the shortcomings and let them run out their contract.

I don't want Hoodie Jr. or Harbaugh who will want final say on the roster and make it even harder to get the GM right. I don't want Payton who has same flaws as McCarthy. I don't want Urban Meyer or Nick Saban.

They will need to hire someone like Jim Bob Cooter and then hope the GM works out as well.

In regards to hiring a GM with a lame duck coach...........my belief is I'd take Eliot Wolf over a GM in TT who was once successful but is no longer elite.

Wolf knows MM; maybe he keeps him for a test run......maybe he brings his own guys in. Either way I'd select option 5 with Wolf as my GM

[pbmax]

A. Not in love with Eliot Wolf love

B. Don't want GM hired with strings attached

[Pugger]

I wonder if Dom will be asked to "retire"?

[pbmax]

Dom had a good run in 15 and the start of 16 until injuries took apart his secondary and now his ILB corp.

[Bretsky]

A. Not in love with Eliot Wolf love

B. Don't want GM hired with strings attached

IF their plan isn't Wolf then they should undoubtedly stop nixing his other opportunities outside of the GB Packers

[Bretsky]

Dom had a good run in 15 and the start of 16 until injuries took apart his secondary and now his ILB corp.

I think he's average; always have. Dom in NOT the problem.

Ted has left him with practice squad players. Most of the years we aren't hit with injuries like we have been this year on defense so Ted could hide the crap he was trying to develop on the bottom fifth of the roster. This year, those practice squad players have to match up with starters. It has not turned out well.

[Carolina_Packer]

It would be pretty stunning for the Packers to let one down year dictate decisions. If Murphy sees an erosion over time of confidence in TT's ability to build the team, and desire to do his job, then he may ask TT to step down.

If that happens, I think you have to let a new GM evaluate and decide if they want to keep MM. Start at the top and work your way down. I'm with PB. Don't let TT hire a new HC and then retire in a couple of years. If TT is even considering retirement, I hope he is able to articulate that to Murphy, so the Packers can get on with a succession plan, and THEN decide on the HC question.

[ThunderDan]

I think he's average; always have. Dom in NOT the problem.

Ted has left him with practice squad players. Most of the years we aren't hit with injuries like we have been this year on defense so Ted could hide the crap he was trying to develop on the bottom fifth of the roster. This year, those practice squad players have to match up with starters. It has not turned out well.

Come on. We are starting our 4,5,6 CBs a couple of weeks ago. We are now on CBs 3,4,6. Nickel and dime are now 7,8. Our ILBs are 3 string and practice squad player this week.

There is not enough talent to expect your 6th string CB to be a competent full-time starter.

[ThunderDan]

It would be pretty stunning for the Packers to let one down year dictate decisions. If Murphy sees an erosion over time of confidence in TT's ability to build the team, and desire to do his job, then he may ask TT to step down.

If that happens, I think you have to let a new GM evaluate and decide if they want to keep MM. Start at the top and work your way down. I'm with PB. Don't let TT hire a new HC and then retire in a couple of years. If TT is even considering retirement, I hope he is able to articulate that to Murphy, so the Packers can get on with a succession plan, and THEN decide on the HC question.

+1, I would also say that TT has probably informed Murphy about his feelings going forward. TT is the consummate professional. He may not talk to the media but I don't want that in a GM anyway. Keep your cards close to your vest and your mouth closed.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

It would be pretty stunning for the Packers to let one down year dictate decisions.

Just one down season?

Many a-folks seem to have forgotten that McCarthy and Thompson spent their "Waive Guillotine" card after that infamous 6-10 fiasco.

Anything less than the playoffs this season, the two them deserve the Louis XVI treatment. If playoffs but not Super Bowl, they deserve the Napolean Bonaparte treatment - exile.