WHAT WOULD YOU DO AT YEAR END ????????

[pbmax]

IF their plan isn't Wolf then they should undoubtedly stop nixing his other opportunities outside of the GB Packers

Agree with this. Ted sure seems to like him.

But I also don't like successors being appointed.

[pbmax]

I think he's average; always have. Dom in NOT the problem.

Ted has left him with practice squad players. Most of the years we aren't hit with injuries like we have been this year on defense so Ted could hide the crap he was trying to develop on the bottom fifth of the roster. This year, those practice squad players have to match up with starters. It has not turned out well.

This is a lot of faith in 2 FA players, to turn around the season and NOT get hurt.

[beveaux1]

Come on. We are starting our 4,5,6 CBs a couple of weeks ago. We are now on CBs 3,4,6. Nickel and dime are now 7,8. Our ILBs are 3 string and practice squad player this week.

There is not enough talent to expect your 6th string CB to be a competent full-time starter.

+1 I agree with this. I can't see how the GM or coach could foresee this happening. CB at the start of the season was a position of strength. Injury can't decimate a position then we point to the GM or coach for not having 5th string pro bowlers.

[Fritz]

I think he's average; always have. Dom in NOT the problem.

Ted has left him with practice squad players. Most of the years we aren't hit with injuries like we have been this year on defense so Ted could hide the crap he was trying to develop on the bottom fifth of the roster. This year, those practice squad players have to match up with starters. It has not turned out well.

For what it's worth, in his recent chat McGinn seems to think Ted's not necessarily the problem. His response to a reader question about running back depth (sounds like it came from a Rat): "Fat or not, Eddie Lacy was off to a very good start. Starks is fine as a No. 2, and the decision to send Kuhn out to pasture and promote Ripkowski was wise. The mistake was wasting a roster spot on QB Callahan for 5 weeks. The Packers became infatuated with him, and I could never understand why. There is very good depth at LB. So you think this coaching staff has gotten a lot out of these players this year, huh? You've got to be kidding."

I read this as implying it was MM who was "infatuated" with Callahan (maybe MM thought he could be the Svengali to another hall-of-fame underrated QB? One he actually chose?), and, overtly, that McGinn thinks MM has not gotten much out of the talent at hand.

I don't know what to think, though ThunderDan's posts about the defense playing with third, fourth and sixth stringers in the defensive backfield and linebacking unit does seem sobering when you think about firing people.

[wpony]

I say fire Ted My reasons are I believe he has give MM to much freedom over his assistant
and when we get the new GM he can look over what MM has done and if he needs to be replaced or not its the new GMs job

[texaspackerbacker]

I checked clean house of Ted and Mike - Murphy too if possible. I really don't think it will happen, though.

One down season or a slow downward trend or a fairly high level but just not maximized? I say the third. We have one of the greatest QBs ever to play, and they've frittered away his best years by not surrounding him with max talent and with game planning and play calling that often takes the ball out of his hands and treats him like something other than the superstar he is.

I wouldn't be surprised if they ran the table even with all the problems this year - apparently Aaron Rodgers said approximately that too. That would be great, but it would also undoubtedly save Ted and Mike's jobs, which would not be so great. Hell, lose or win, we're probably stuck with them.

It would be an even bigger damn shame if Capers were scapegoated and fired. His scheming compensates for the mediocre talent he has to deal with.

[Carolina_Packer]

Just one down season?

Many a-folks seem to have forgotten that McCarthy and Thompson spent their "Waive Guillotine" card after that infamous 6-10 fiasco.

Anything less than the playoffs this season, the two them deserve the Louis XVI treatment. If playoffs but not Super Bowl, they deserve the Napolean Bonaparte treatment - exile.

Well, don't forget the 4 win season that preceded the 6 win season. In that context, they were building their way up to a 13 win season in 2007 when TT had fixed the issues of the previous GM, who got the previous coach fired.

[MadtownPacker]

Everyone has just gotten too comfortable with each other. You want the surge of 2009? Gotta clean house and bring in the new blood (GM and coach). Working too long together can fuck things up in any profession. If the seasons ends strong then one more year. If the asskickings continue the ship has to be righted.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Well, don't forget the 4 win season that preceded the 6 win season. In that context, they were building their way up to a 13 win season in 2007 when TT had fixed the issues of the previous GM, who got the previous coach fired.

Yet despite Sherman's many so-called "fuck ups" , the man never gave birth 4-12 or 6-10 as GM. In fact, he got fired after a 10-6 season.

Packers went 6-10 with virtually the same team that got to the NFC Title game the season before, minus the Gunslinger, of course. That's proof of the Polar Bear's incompetence.

[Pugger]

Yet despite Sherman's many so-called "fuck ups" , the man never gave birth 4-12 or 6-10 as GM. In fact, he got fired after a 10-6 season.

Packers went 6-10 with virtually the same team that got to the NFC Title game the season before, minus the Gunslinger, of course. That's proof of the Polar Bear's incompetence.

When did your hero Sherman ever win a damn Super Bowl? How come that bum can't even get a job in at D-3 college program?

[Anti-Polar Bear]

When did your hero Sherman ever win a damn Super Bowl? How come that bum can't even get a job in at D-3 college program?

Give Sherman the time Thompson has had and he would've won more than a fluke Super Bowl. Sherman ran the Packers a lot like Belichick runs the Pats.

Btw, DeSean Jackson is still waiting for his Super Bowl 45 ring. Thompson should do the right thing before he gets sent to the guillotine and send D-Jax a damn ring cos without that improbable punt-6, there would never be a ring in the 1st place.

[mmmdk]

Lions and Vikings look solid but ordinary...yet eons better than Packers. "Thanks" Stubby & TT.

[yetisnowman]

Kendricks has made a couple of huge plays in the 2nd half. Glad we drafted JAG Randall instead.....

[yetisnowman]

Oops wrong thread.

[red]

It would be pretty stunning for the Packers to let one down year dictate decisions. If Murphy sees an erosion over time of confidence in TT's ability to build the team, and desire to do his job, then he may ask TT to step down.

If that happens, I think you have to let a new GM evaluate and decide if they want to keep MM. Start at the top and work your way down. I'm with PB. Don't let TT hire a new HC and then retire in a couple of years. If TT is even considering retirement, I hope he is able to articulate that to Murphy, so the Packers can get on with a succession plan, and THEN decide on the HC question.

it has not been just one down year

since the 2015 bye week (week 7) we are 8-12

i think the big question should be, just what in the hell happened during the bye week of 2015. we were 6-0 going into that bye week and last 4 of our 5 games after the bye and have been pretty shitty ever since that break