DOUGHERTY---PACKERS RECENT DRAFTS MISSING THE MARK

[Patler]

I agree you can be a good team without all pros. But you need to have some next tier guys i.e. pro-bowl caliber players. And do the Packers have any? Aaron and Jordy maybe then what?

I think they have quite a few next tier guys, or guys close to it. Daniels, Lang (forgetting his injury). I am seeing more and more comments that Bulaga is having an outstanding year. For the first half season, Perry deserved pro-bowl consideration. Depends now how he finishes. Shields could have been close. My darkhorse at the start of the year was a rejuvenated Cook having many games like last week, but its too late now.

[woodbuck27]

.......... Bretsky nailed it. If somebody wants to do like Ted and build almost exclusively with the draft, he really needs to do better. Ted has gotten by for a long time on the magnificence of drafting Aaron Rodgers. Without that, his reputation would be shit, and he probably would have been gone a long time ago. He has been delinquent in maximizing things as a supporting cast for his superstar. That has resulted in slow decline and/or problems when injuries hit - hence the mess we are in now.

You nailed it.

If ARod hadn't fallen to TT where would the Green Bay Packers be?

I suggest 'a sick franchise'.

[pbmax]

You nailed it.

If ARod hadn't fallen to TT where would the Green Bay Packers be?

I suggest 'a sick franchise'.

Yep, Ted is not demonstrably smarter than 23 other GMs, he was just lucky once.

[Bretsky]

Yep, Ted is not demonstrably smarter than 23 other GMs, he was just lucky once.

He had somebody fall into his lap and kudos for TTT for taking advantage of that. Some GM's would most likely still have passed on AROD. But since then he has fallen short of expectations and searching for stars up and down our roster makes that apparent IMO

[Bretsky]

You do expect to hit on pro-bowl studs every so often. Since our superbowl win that just hasn't happened. Cobb, Burnett, Perry, Daniels, Bulaga, Lacy, Bach, Randall... Some good NFL starters in there but no blue chippers so to speak. A few are close.

I'd say the primary function of the draft is to get productive first contracts. And in that we've been successful. Rookie contracts are the obvious way in the NFL to get more than you pay for. But when you're not getting your share of new blue chippers and your old blue chippers are getting extinction-level injuries, career-wrecking girlfriends, or just plain old.... you're going to feel the decline.

[Hate to ever fuel Bretsky but I think the top end of our roster, the 2nd and 3rd contract guys, could use some turnover this off season and there's really only one way to do that

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[Bretsky]

its really nice to see nick perry almost becoming the player we expected him to be in year one, here in year #5

This was just too funny not to shout out a CLAP

Right or wrong, I never bought into that pick.

[yetisnowman]

Daniels has regressed quite a bit this year. Not the same push and leverage that I'm accustomed to seeing from him. Lang is solid, but we traded our best o-lineman tthis summer. Having a couple guys that might be kinda sorta close to maybe making a pro bowl isn't cutting it.

[red]

He had somebody fall into his lap and kudos for TTT for taking advantage of that. Some GM's would most likely still have passed on AROD. But since then he has fallen short of expectations and searching for stars up and down our roster makes that apparent IMO

i agree. lots of things had to happen for a-rod to fall to us. it was a good move by TT to take him, but not ground breaking. he needed a QB with his aging star threatening to retire every offseason. he needed a new franchise back.

then san fran passes on a-rod for smith, then almost every other team decides they don't need a QB for some reason. so he falls in our lap. TT was given a gift by the rest of the NFL

and he's built a career and a reputation as a draft guru off that one pick imo

[red]

Daniels has regressed quite a bit this year. Not the same push and leverage that I'm accustomed to seeing from him. Lang is solid, but we traded our best o-lineman tthis summer. Having a couple guys that might be kinda sorta close to maybe making a pro bowl isn't cutting it.

hmm. a player not playing on the same level after getting a big contract?

unheard of

[pbmax]

i agree. lots of things had to happen for a-rod to fall to us. it was a good move by TT to take him, but not ground breaking. he needed a QB with his aging star threatening to retire every offseason. he needed a new franchise back.

No one wanted him to take Rodgers. Everyone went along with a value pick, but most were disappointed help wasn't drafted elsewhere. It was a classic future pick.

It reportedly pissed off his HC and QB at the same time.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

No one wanted him to take Rodgers. Everyone went along with a value pick, but most were disappointed help wasn't drafted elsewhere. It was a classic future pick.

It reportedly pissed off his HC and QB at the same time.

Not really. Sherman simply was still mad at himself for not trading up to take Benny the Big the year before. Fell in love with Roethisberger after working him out. Didn't trust his instincts, and instead, took Carroll, Thomas, Washington and the infamous BJ Sanders with his first 4 picks.

Make fun of Sherman's picks all you want, but keep in mind that Dorsey, McKenzie and Schneider all consulted Sherman. All are now running things the way Sherman used to - ALL ASPECTS of the GAME.

And oh, btw, Sherman NEVER missed the playoffs as GM. Never lost 4 straight games.

[pbmax]

Not really. Sherman simply was still mad at himself for not trading up to take Benny the Big the year before. Fell in love with Roethisberger after working him out. Didn't trust his instincts, and instead, took Carroll, Thomas, Washington and the infamous BJ Sanders with his first 4 picks.

Make fun of Sherman's picks all you want, but keep in mind that Dorsey, McKenzie and Schneider all consulted Sherman. All are now running things the way Sherman used to - ALL ASPECTS of the GAME.

And oh, btw, Sherman NEVER missed the playoffs as GM. Never lost 4 straight games.

Sherman did not want Ben. That was Rossley.

And somewhere we have a report that Sherman wanted somebody else.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Sherman did not want Ben. That was Rossley.

And somewhere we have a report that Sherman wanted somebody else.

Get your facts straight before you post!

Rossley worked out Rodgers and probably was jolly Thompson took Rodgers with Sherman's pick.

As for Big Ben: http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2016/st...passed-big-ben

Shane Montgomery, former Miami (Ohio) offensive coordinator: "Rothlisberger just kind of won everybody over [at his pro day]. He responded to pressure really well, and he could throw the ball from any angle. I know [then Packers coach Mike Sherman] loved him. He said he really wanted him but had no chance. He said that in our weight room."

[woodbuck27]

Get your facts straight before you post!

Rossley worked out Rodgers and probably was jolly Thompson took Rodgers with Sherman's pick.

As for Big Ben: http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2016/st...passed-big-ben

[Carolina_Packer]

One thing the Packers have done more this year than I recall them doing in past years, is signing injury settlements. Abrederris, Banjo, Walker, Henry, Backman and a bunch of rookies were all IR'dnthen released with injury settlements. It makes the size of their IR a lot smaller. In the past GB used IR to stockpile players like a lot of other teams do.

Packer injuries this year have been odd though. Three key players on offense, defense and special teams have been lost to IR. Perhaps even more significant have been the piling on of injuries causing players to miss a lot of games, but not be put on IR. Cook and Randall have virtually missed the season so far. Then Rollins goes out forcing them to start their #4 & 5 CBs while using a #3 or #4 safety or #6 CB in nickel. That's quite devastating to pass coverage. They even lost their #2 & 3 options at RB. Both starting ILBs and Lang, and Tretter just added to the chaos.

Good points. To dovetail off your point, you also have to consider how fully healthy some guys are even when they do come back. I know that everyone is dinged up this time of year, but if you are a guy coming back from a goin injury/surgery, like Randall, or a hammy injury like Clay who missed 3 games, you may be back on the field, but at what percentage of health? For instance, Adams last year gutting out an ankle injury and a healthy Adams this year is a stark contrast. He's way more explosive, because he's relatively healthy.