TT or M3

[Fritz]

This must mean they had a lot of depth at running back after all!

[vince]

Why do you think it's a below average run blocking line? They're 7th in the NFL in YPC. And that's with their leading rusher being a converted WR. Lacy was averaging over 5 YPC before he got hurt.

That converted WR has the highest Average Yards after Contact for a RB and Elusiveness Rating in the league I believe.

EDIT: All-time single-season leader, albeit limited opportunities

Most likely to drag a defender
2016 season: RB Ty Montgomery (Packers), 5.1 yards after contact per attempt

Previous single-season record: RB Michael Turner (Chargers), 4.8 yards after contact per attempt (2006)

Obviously this is a record that can only be realistically broken on a limited number of touches, but averaging over 5 yards after contact is extremely impressive for a single game, let alone for 72 carries, as Montgomery did. He broke 18 tackles on those 72 carries, and his 116.4 elusive rating was also tops among all running backs. Not bad for a guy who started the season as a wideout.

[bobblehead]

I'm surprised Whitworth wasn't mentioned at all.

Whitworth developed slow. Most GM's have an opinion of him based off his play several seasons ago. He is better than Bahk right here and now.

[bobblehead]

Baloney. Bahk will be a pro bowler going forward. He is ranked by PFF as the #1 pass blocking LT in the league, and as you know it's a passing league.

I don't agree with that assessment. Rodgers makes him look much better. I doubt any single GM in all of football agrees with that assessment, so take it for what its worth. Anyone who honestly thinks bahk is a better pass blocker than Trent Williams...well, pass that shit my way.

[vince]

I would love to replace Bahk, but there are only so many Joe Thomas on the planet.

Bakh (25) may not be better than Williams (28) or Whitworth (35), but I think you're grossly undervaluing him bobble. Perhaps you're holding onto your assessments from earlier years. He's gotten much stronger, without sacrificing movement, this year, and has been lockdown. His play this year has elevated him to near elite at minimum. Yeah he moves around well, but the way Rodgers holds onto the ball, he doesn't do his linemen a lot of favors, requiring them to sustain their blocks for that much longer.

2016 PFF All-Pro Team

Left tackle
First team: Trent Williams, Washington Redskins, 92.8 (No. 1 OT)
Second team: David Bakhtiari, Green Bay Packers, 90.8 (No. 3 OT)

Despite missing time due to suspension, Trent Williams still posted the best overall grade of any tackle in the game, and allowed a total of just 16 QB pressures across 12 starts. He was a dominant force both pass protecting and run blocking, and even moonlighted at guard when injuries forced a reshuffle along the Washington line during a game. This was the best play of Williams’ career, and the first time we have seen him fulfill his potential since he was the league’s best tackle back in the 2013 season. David Bakhtiari gets the second-team nod thanks to an outstanding season of pass blocking, taking a huge step forward in his play.

Honorable mention: Andrew Whitworth, Cincinnati Bengals, 91.3 (No. 2 OT)

PFF has Bakh rated as the #1 pass protector at LT, which I don't have access to but I assume takes into account opponents, pass rate, etc.

Bakh has cut his holding penalties (3) and sacks (3) in half to career bests this year.

By comparison,
Williams has 3 holding calls and 1 sack allowed.
Whitworth has 2 holds and 0 sacks allowed.
Tyron Smith - 4 holds and 2 sacks allowed
Joe Thomas - 1 hold and 3.5 sacks
Staley - 1 hold and 5 sacks allowed
Peters - 1 hold and 2 sacks allowed
Okung - 6 holds and 4 sacks
Glenn - 2 holds and 2.5 sacks allowed
Donald Penn - 3 holds and 2 sacks allowed

Obviously there's more to it than the raw stats but it's a start.

[texaspackerbacker]

I'd like to see a stat if one exists on QB "hurries" or time forced out of the pocket attributable to a particular O Lineman. That is my gripe - although much decreased from previous years - that the Packers O Line lets pass rushers through too quickly. The fact that Bakhtiari has allowed only 3 sacks could be and probably is the result of Rodgers' wonderful mobility.

[bobblehead]

Bakh (25) may not be better than Williams (28) or Whitworth (35), but I think you're grossly undervaluing him bobble. Perhaps you're holding onto your assessments from earlier years. He's gotten much stronger, without sacrificing movement, this year, and has been lockdown. His play this year has elevated him to near elite at minimum. Yeah he moves around well, but the way Rodgers holds onto the ball, he doesn't do his linemen a lot of favors, requiring them to sustain their blocks for that much longer.

Or its also possible that I am biased to having a dominant OL as it makes everyone look good. I have said Bahk has gone from bottom 5 to middle of the road. 2 GMS had 7 LT unanimously better than Bahk. They didn't even put Whitworth on that list (as THEY have held onto previous assessments.) I think I am fair to Bahk. You can certainly win with him. I just think we paid him like Trent Williams or Joe Thomas and honestly, no matter what PFF says he isn't in their class. Have you ever focused on Williams punch?

Edit: Remember, Joe Thomas is blocking for...shit, I don't even know who anymore.

[call_me_ishmael]

Okay, so he is in the top 20ish percent. Pretty dang good. Why debate semantics? It'll be interesting to see where GMs rank him in a year or two when his reputation has spread more. He's a fine player.

[vince]

Bakh will never be a mauler but that doesn't mean he's not as or more effective than many of the behemoths. Williams is clearly elite and he does it his way but who cares how you do it if it's highly successful at achieving the objective?

[Pugger]

Being primarily a passing team it is fortuitous that our tackles grade out well in this area.

[pbmax]

JS Comments @JSComments 30m30 minutes ago
TT picked Rodgers to stick it to Favre and TT ended up getting it right despite himself, or by accident!

[texaspackerbacker]

JS Comments @JSComments 30m30 minutes ago
TT picked Rodgers to stick it to Favre and TT ended up getting it right despite himself, or by accident!

If this is actually to be believed, it is a bigger indictment of Ted than just about anything I've ever heard: the crowning achievement of his career - the thing that MADE the success he has had, in spite of arguably doing way too little otherwise to create success, and it was NOT done out of sharp judging of Rodgers' talent, but only to "stick it to Favre"? I'd have to see some evidence to believe this - and I'm far from a supporter of Ted.

[vince]

If this is actually to be believed, it is a bigger indictment of Ted than just about anything I've ever heard: the crowning achievement of his career - the thing that MADE the success he has had, in spite of arguably doing way too little otherwise to create success, and it was NOT done out of sharp judging of Rodgers' talent, but only to "stick it to Favre"? I'd have to see some evidence to believe this - and I'm far from a supporter of Ted.

Don't believe much of what you read from JSComments section Tex. PB posts those for the comic relief. Most of them suffer from TDS - Ted Derangement Syndrome. They make red seem like an apologist by comparison.

TDS has a profound effect on the victims' perspective on the Packers. Sufferers begin to develop an unrealistically heightened sense of self, and speak a distinctive language characterized by exaggerated opinion, oversimplified hyperbole and conspiracy theories against Favre and Packer greatness itself.

In the advanced stages of the disease, the afflicted lose touch with reality altogether. Opinion becomes unmoored from fact, they see themselves as self-anointed experts in NFL general management philosophy, and Ted's only motivation is to take down the franchise altogether. And there is no cure. Neither division championships nor even Super Bowl trophies can overcome it.

[Guiness]

It's an above average pass blocking line and a below average run blocking line IMO.
Rodgers had almost 9 seconds to throw to Allison in the end zone. If the Packers D let Russell Wilson scramble around that long and throw a TD fans and forum posters alike would be calling for Capers' head on a pike...so yes, it's a good pass blocking line this year, most QB's would love to throw behind it, and if you believe in those crazy sites, I think PFF is the one that seems to agree.

Have to disagree with this. Lacy averaged around 5 yards a carry, and Montgomery is getting 5.9 (!). I don't know enough about line play to evaluate them, but I know enough that OJ himself couldn't get that kind of an average behind a poor line.

[vince]

Monty' 5.9 YPC is bouyed by 5.1 YAC. I'm not saying they're a bad run blocking unit but I would say the unit's strength is pass protection, which for this team carries a premium for sure.