Proof that Teams Are Wasting Their Players Prime Years and Windows

[bobblehead]

The only way to objectively gauge McCarthy's success in finishing games is to consider the entire population of his results - not a pre-selected subset that can be reliably predicted to skew the results before you even look at them.

Correct. and you you look at it objectively he consistently blows 3 score leads in the middle of the 3rd quarter by counting down the clock that early. More often he wins because...well, he has a 3 score lead. Too often he loses games he never should because it gets the other team back in position to "get lucky".

[bobblehead]

Yes. I don't want him replaced. I want him to improve.

You mean like...learn from his mistakes? They don't call him stubby for nothing. (maybe tex is MM)

[vince]

McCarthy's teams consistently get leads - and even more consistently win those games when they are ahead in the 2nd half. If you want to judge him by whether he increases leads in the second half AFTER establishing the lead - be my guest but they count up game wins, not second half wins.

[vince]

Correct. and you you look at it objectively he consistently blows 3 score leads in the middle of the 3rd quarter by counting down the clock that early. More often he wins because...well, he has a 3 score lead. Too often he loses games he never should because it gets the other team back in position to "get lucky".

That happens less to McCarthy than just about any other coach in the league. Those are the facts.

[ThunderDan]

BUT...and I dread saying this because we play them sunday. In his two SB runs he was off the charts ridiculous making stoopid accurate throws with 2" margins 30 yards downfield where receivers had to fingertip (or helmet) catch fastballs....and it happened over and over.

No he wasn't. In 2007 he was horrible and only a lucky helmet catch saved his team. In 2011 he played like an MVP.

Here is 2007:
20/27 185 yards 2 TDs 0 INTs
12/18 163 yards 2 0
21/40 251 0 0
19/34 255 2 1

Here is 2011:
23/32 277 3 0
21/33 330 3 1
32/58 316 2 0
30/40 296 1 0

[Fritz]

You mean like...learn from his mistakes? They don't call him stubby for nothing. (maybe tex is MM)

Wait . . . I thought that was a penis joke.

[pbmax]

BUT...and I dread saying this because we play them sunday. In his two SB runs he was off the charts ridiculous making stoopid accurate throws with 2" margins 30 yards downfield where receivers had to fingertip (or helmet) catch fastballs....and it happened over and over.

Happened more in 2011 than 2007, but the helmet catch versus NE was otherworldly. Both the throw and the catch.

[pbmax]

Correct. and you you look at it objectively he consistently blows 3 score leads in the middle of the 3rd quarter by counting down the clock that early. More often he wins because...well, he has a 3 score lead. Too often he loses games he never should because it gets the other team back in position to "get lucky".

I am a little leery of walking the complaint back to the third quarter because at some point you have to credit the opposition for starting to make plays.

To make a case for McCarthy and Capers calling off the dogs that early, we would need to look at a lot of tape and pass rusher info.

[pbmax]

First best in the NFC.

Its a fair point.

[pbmax]

McCarthy's teams consistently get leads - and even more consistently win those games when they are ahead in the 2nd half. If you want to judge him by whether he increases leads in the second half AFTER establishing the lead - be my guest but they count up game wins, not second half wins.

This is his greatest asset. Despite all the moaning about the Packers coming out flat.

[pbmax]

True, but it could be damn near automatic if you surround that superstar QB with good talent. Fouts and Rivers were/are very good, but I'd argue well below superstar level.

Fouts was Marino before Marino.

[texaspackerbacker]

Fouts was Marino before Marino.

Marino passed for about 20,000 more yards in 16 years than Fouts did in 15. Marino threw 420 TDs/252 picks to 254/242 for Fouts.

I've always thought of Marino right up there with Starr,Unitas, Elway, Peyton, Favre, Rodgers, and Brady as true superstars. The name of Fouts somehow never occurred to me with that group.

[Bretsky]

Anyone who thinks a superstar QB automatically gets you to the playoffs on a regular basis needs to reckon with Dan Fouts and Phillip Rivers.

I don't get this

Are you saying Rivers is a super star QB ? He is not. Good but I would never say he is great


And Dan Fouts....played in a different era that today's NFL

[hoosier]

Fouts had about 5 years of being Marino-like, from 1979-83 or so. During those years he was the best QB in the NFL, but he also got the Chargers to the playoffs in most if not all of them.

[Cheesehead Craig]

But Fouts is still the best game day color announcer.