WHY ARE THE PACKERS ALLOWING ELIOT WOLF TO INTERVIEW.........INTERESTING STUFF

[Patler]

McGinn hits some of the reasons why Wolf might not be the right choice to succeed TT:

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/...rphy/96198176/

[pbmax]

That would be awesome !

It would also be awesome if we could hire John Schneider, John Dorsey, or Reggie McKenzie

But we probably can't

Pretty sure they could get John Dorsey. He doesn't have final say.

Same with Schneider, but it will probably cost more.

[pbmax]

McGinn hits some of the reasons why Wolf might not be the right choice to succeed TT:

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/...rphy/96198176/

The bar for being a GM in the NFL is lower than I thought:

Like his father, Wolf has keen intelligence and extraordinary memory that gives him an immediate edge on many NFL executives.

[Zool]

This week I learned from one NFL source that at least a couple of members of the Packers’ executive committee are concerned about losing Wolf and want him promoted to GM this offseason. In that scenario, Thompson would become an area scout or take an advisory role. Thompson is under contract through the 2018 season

Did you really just quote yourself?

Also you titled this thread like it was factual information. It's all theory and opinion.

[pbmax]

If this McGinn article that Patler linked to is my only evidence, I am rooting for Ball.

Ball ranks as one of the most trusted confidants of Mike McCarthy, Murphy and Thompson. At the same time, he has done everything possible to learn the personnel end of the business. He tries to attend every practice, sits in on almost every draft meeting and constantly watches video with Thompson.

The assumption is that Wolf certainly should be better able to identify a player than Ball. At the same time, Ball would have a vast advantage in areas like building relationships and culture, budgeting, travel and all the myriad duties that slam a first-time GM in the face after the introductory news conference.

“I’ve been an evaluator my whole life,” the former GM said. “When you get a GM job, it’s less and less about evaluating. There’s so many other things. There’s always tension and conflict, and how you lead. The (scouting) does not prepare you for that part.”

In 2011, Ball’s former boss in New Orleans, GM Mickey Loomis, said he should already have been a GM. In August, Thompson said Ball was able to evaluate players as well as a full-time scout and was capable of running an NFL organization both as a GM and as a president.

“Russ has great logic, patience,” said an NFL executive in personnel. “There’s a lot to like about Russ Ball. The million-dollar question is what is Mark Murphy thinking regarding (Ball)?”

[pbmax]

I am completely unenthusiastic about this possible development:

It should be remembered that Murphy has yet to hire his own GM or coach. One source with an understanding of Packers’ affairs believes Murphy ultimately will go outside the organization for Thompson’s successor.

In that event, Murphy almost assuredly would rely on Jed Hughes, who conducts executive searches as vice chairman for an international firm. He was responsible for connecting Murphy with the corporation’s executive committee in 2007, and later spearheaded the hiring of vice presidents Laura Sankey and Tim Connolly, both of whom sources said were let go.

Has he had any hits beside Murphy?

[3irty1]

Pretty sure they could get John Dorsey. He doesn't have final say.

Same with Schneider, but it will probably cost more.

Schneider had the homecoming clause in his first contract too. Powers of deduction indicate that Schneider would be very interested if the timing of our GM needs worked out with his obligations.

[vince]

I'm not much worried about it. The Packers GM job is one of the best jobs in the NFL. Whenever TT retires, I'm sure the Packers will have their choice of a number of talented people. Maybe from inside the organization, maybe from outside.

Great point. Whichever way the Packers go, it will be from a position of strength. Eliot Wolf might be a great GM someday but there are a lot of great prospects out there and nobody is going to force the hand of the Packers if TT's not ready to step aside.

Russ Ball and Alonso Highsmith could make a great tandem at the top down the road if Wolf and Gutekunst were to get away.

[mission]

This isn't official by any means, but one of my salesmen is a big Seahawks fan and he said Schneider's most recent extension does not have the Green Bay-out clause. Not sure how to confirm there... think he read it on SeahawksRats.com.

[3irty1]

How much does MM factor into these moves?

The way I see it no non-Ted GM will have the Packer capitol to get rid of MM. Yet MM is what 55? Its likely our next GM will get MM until MM hangs up his clipboard. Without an opportunity to pick our next coach, our next GM is both hampered and pampered by effectively being a dedicated roster guy. That could be 10 years of training wheels which may be fine for a baby like Eliot but in the meantime the only benefit to the team over Ted is however more effective the next guy is with the roster. If you're Bretsky and believe the optimal NFL offseason looks like it does in Madden, there is vast room for improvement over Ted so bring it on. To those who are less reactionary and see roster building as a set of tradeoffs, improving on Ted would be a pleasant surprise.

Personally I fall in the second camp, I think the worst thing about Ted, other than his having the charisma of an old pedophile, is MM (although I do like MM). And since I believe it'll take Ted or MM to get rid of MM, Ted has a decisive advantage over anyone else until MM is gone. Therefore, a bird in the hand is still worth two in the bush. I'm content to set our beloved Eliot go, if he doesn't come back may his teams forever blow.

[pbmax]

How much does MM factor into these moves?

The way I see it no non-Ted GM will have the Packer capitol to get rid of MM. Yet MM is what 55? Its likely our next GM will get MM until MM hangs up his clipboard. Without an opportunity to pick our next coach ...

And since I believe it'll take Ted or MM to get rid of MM, Ted has a decisive advantage over anyone else until MM is gone. Therefore, a bird in the hand is still worth two in the bush. I'm content to set our beloved Eliot go, if he doesn't come back may his teams forever blow.

Great point. Not sure how much longer M3 wants to coach. I doubt he goes twenty years total, but he could easily get into the 4th or 5th year of a new GM before moving on. Then you are in one of those, shouldn't the GM get a coaching hire before you move on kinda deals.

I think he and Ted are tied at the hip until their contracts are done in 2018. If M3's contract is up, people will convince themselves of many dumb things and I could see McCarthy being allowed to leave after a market value deal is not put on table.

Its impossible to know what Murphy will do, but so far his best move beside tearing down a K-Mart has been to leave Ted alone. Even Ted haters have to acknowledge that the next hire could EASILY be worse, especially if McGinn is right and they use that executive search firm to find candidates.

But the easiest read is what Murphy has done (or not done) so far, which is to ride the Ted/Mike train to a very calm and peaceful decade. Once Ted's contract is up, he will then make a decision on both jobs.

So the corollary to 3irty1's point is that whoever on the Exec Committee is hot about Eliot Wolf might not have the power to move Ted upstairs if Ted doesn't want to. And Murphy will side with Ted.

[Patler]

If this McGinn article that Patler linked to is my only evidence, I am rooting for Ball.

I've been leaning toward Ball since Dorsey left, especially when there were rumors a couple years ago that TT might step down early. The references to him watching film with TT have been around for a while, as well as those about him sitting in on scouting and evaluation meetings. He seems to be preparing himself for a GM spot somewhere. My only reservation about Ball is that he could be a short term replacement. He is only 6 years younger than TT.

[Patler]

This isn't official by any means, but one of my salesmen is a big Seahawks fan and he said Schneider's most recent extension does not have the Green Bay-out clause. Not sure how to confirm there... think he read it on SeahawksRats.com.

When Schneider signed the extension, I posted a link to an article with a quote from Schneider in which he said exactly that.

But, as I understand the league's rules, he doesn't need an out clause. He doesn't have full personnel control in Seattle, so he could leave for a GM job in which he would have it.

[pbmax]

I've been leaning toward Ball since Dorsey left, especially when there were rumors a couple years ago that TT might step down early. The references to him watching film with TT have been around for a while, as well as those about him sitting in on scouting and evaluation meetings. He seems to be preparing himself for a GM spot somewhere. My only reservation about Ball is that he could be a short term replacement. He is only 6 years younger than TT.

Ted looks older than 63.

[Patler]

Pretty sure they could get John Dorsey. He doesn't have final say.

Same with Schneider, but it will probably cost more.

Does Dorsey have full roster control, or does he share that with Reid or Hunt?

I'm not sure Dorsey would even be interested in coming back. When he left he said KC had always been a dream job for him and his wife. She is from there, has lots of family in the area, went to school there, including law school, and worked for a KC law firm even when they lived in Green Bay.