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Is McCarthy smarter than a 3rd grader?
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No, I'm serious. The 40 yards is "Distance to the End Zone." So it's from the opponent's 40, not your own.One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers
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I didn't read the link, but on the face of it this graph makes no sense. It says you should go for it on 4th and one deep in your own territory. You should go for it on 4th and 2 from your own 15 yard line.Originally posted by hoosier View Post
The general shape of the graph looks correct, but it seems shifted up. Or approved by a lunatic coach.
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You're reading the graph wrong too. Must be the new math they're teaching you kids nowadays.Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby View PostI didn't read the link, but on the face of it this graph makes no sense. It says you should go for it on 4th and one deep in your own territory. You should go for it on 4th and 2 from your own 15 yard line.
The general shape of the graph looks correct, but it seems shifted up. Or approved by a lunatic coach.One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers
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yes, you caught hoosier with his pants down.Originally posted by Maxie the Taxi View PostNo, I'm serious. The 40 yards is "Distance to the End Zone." So it's from the opponent's 40, not your own.
but there's more funny business with this graph. Perhaps it's a plot (pun intended) to influence Stubby. Don't trust it, Mike!
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Stubby just showed a poster-sized image of that graph at his press conference. He's reading it wrong too. hahahahaOriginally posted by Harlan Huckleby View Postyes, you caught hoosier with his pants down.
but there's more funny business with this graph. Perhaps it's a plot (pun intended) to influence Stubby. Don't trust it, Mike!One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers
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I disagreed with the call. But the Packers outscored the Giants 24-7 the rest of the way. Thus, I have come to the shocking conclusion that perhaps MM has a better sense of the team than I do.Originally posted by vince View PostI'd say the debate's about whether it was one of the stupidest calls in the history of the world and grounds for immediate firing or a stupid call that turned out to be meaningless and/or might have had some intangible benefit for team chemistry.I can't run no more
With that lawless crowd
While the killers in high places
Say their prayers out loud
But they've summoned, they've summoned up
A thundercloud
They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen
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The mystery deepens. I was the smartest one in my family, and I can't figure out how to read that graph "right." According to your reading, where on the field does it recommend to go for it on 4th and one?Originally posted by Maxie the Taxi View PostStubby just showed a poster-sized image of that graph at his press conference. He's reading it wrong too. hahahaha
Take your time. We need to get this right,
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I Googled it and I found this quote from a guy that seems to understand the graph. Hope it helps.Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby View PostThe mystery deepens. I was the smartest one in my family, and I can't figure out how to read that graph "right." According to your reading, where on the field does it recommend to go for it on 4th and one?
Take your time. We need to get this right,
It says you should go for it on 4th and one deep in your own territory. You should go for it on 4th and 2 from your own 15 yard line.One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers
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Its says your odds of increasing your chance to win are best if ALWAYS go for it on 4th and 2 or less, with the following exceptions:Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby View PostThe mystery deepens. I was the smartest one in my family, and I can't figure out how to read that graph "right." According to your reading, where on the field does it recommend to go for it on 4th and one?
Take your time. We need to get this right,
1. Between 71 and 78 yards to go (your own 22-29) there is evidence it will hurt your chances. This might be a glitch in the data as its not apparent to me what hurts here that doesn't at both slightly longer and shorter distances to their end zone.
2. Inside the 10, but not inside the 5 its a 50/50 call because you can get a normal punt off.
3. Inside the 5, you are going to get a weaker punt, so going for it helps your overall odds.Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
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Harlan, aren't you glad you asked?Originally posted by pbmax View PostIts says your odds of increasing your chance to win are best if ALWAYS go for it on 4th and 2 or less, with the following exceptions:
1. Between 71 and 78 yards to go (your own 22-29) there is evidence it will hurt your chances. This might be a glitch in the data as its not apparent to me what hurts here that doesn't at both slightly longer and shorter distances to their end zone.
2. Inside the 10, but not inside the 5 its a 50/50 call because you can get a normal punt off.
3. Inside the 5, you are going to get a weaker punt, so going for it helps your overall odds.
One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers
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I wouldn't be the smartest one in my family if pbmax were in it.
But I actually did read the graph right, I just couldn't believe my own lying eyes.
How many coaches actually follow those recommendations? Or put another way, how many coaches could keep their jobs following those recommendations?
BTW, I like those recommendations. I also would kick onsides about a quarter of the time.
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