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Colts started Josh Freeman in the final game of 2015 season when both Luck and Hasselback were hurt. They won the game and then they cut him.

Your other answer is the correct one, as PB McGee also pointed out.

Josh Freeman? 2015 Josh Freeman? Wow, that's an emergency QB to be sure! I assume he was in town to run the scout team offense, and threw him out there in a lost season.

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Josh Freeman? 2015 Josh Freeman? Wow, that's an emergency QB to be sure! I assume he was in town to run the scout team offense, and threw him out there in a lost season.

Yeah, they were playing the Titans and both were already eliminated, so it was kind of a post-preseason game. I took my kids to that one. Pretty dull. Freeman didn't attempt a pass of more than 8 yards all day long.

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I took the original post about this point (not the OP of the thread) was that the Packers would never name a black QB full time to starting QB. Implication was that Hundley is not going to be the Packers starter ever due to race.

No idea if they forgot about Wallace or not.

I do think there is a difference between a journeyman backup QB starting during an injury situation and moving a guy to the position full time. The former measures, in a certain way, the existence of the number of vets around (in itself a decent indicator that people are getting a chance like Vince Evans or James Harris - thanks hoosier). The latter much more of an endorsement that you don't care. Neither is perfect, because identifying the best prospects is still a 50% game of chance. I do think that retrograde attitudes were assisted in this matter by NFL offenses and payroll structure, where the QB is too valuable to most front offices to allow the HC and OC to develop a college-like offense. And that makes the transition to the pros even harder and more limiting.

Smart Football has pointed out that given the dearth of 6' 4" QBs with rocket arms, agile minds and enough mobility to survive are so rare that it is flat irrational not to develop an offense to take advantage of the talent on hand in college. If you were the Browns, could you really do worse? Ron Wolf was irrational for other reasons when he thought John Schneider shouldn't have drafted Russell Wilson.

But I think the time when teams would not consider a black QB has passed. Though not every team has done both (answer to the earlier trivia is the NY Giants), I suppose more possible there are holdouts, or at least people who think white QBs overall tend to be better prospects.

Notable is several of the teams that have not had a long term AA starter was because they have had stability at the QB position. The Packers have had 4 main starting QBs since 1980. Manning and Sims have accounted for most of the Giants starts since that same date. Colts and Pats, who other teams that have never really had an AA starter also have had a couple/few long term starters at QB. Hard to judge those teams, they haven't had to sift through candidates as often.

I found an SI article on first black starting QBs by NFL team...Warren Moon was the first one for 4 teams, Oilers, Seahawks, Vikings and Chiefs!

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Notable is several of the teams that have not had a long term AA starter was because they have had stability at the QB position. The Packers have had 4 main starting QBs since 1980. Manning and Sims have accounted for most of the Giants starts since that same date. Colts and Pats, who other teams that have never really had an AA starter also have had a couple/few long term starters at QB. Hard to judge those teams, they haven't had to sift through candidates as often.

I found an SI article on first black starting QBs by NFL team...Warren Moon was the first one for 4 teams, Oilers, Seahawks, Vikings and Chiefs!

Packers definitely, because those were back to back.

Giants had Simms through 93, Giant gap of crap, then Manning in 2005.

Colts had Manning and Luck consecutively from 1998 through current except for one neck injury year.

Pats did have Bledsoe and Brady back to back as well for nearly as long as Packers had Favre/Rodgers.

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Packers definitely, because those were back to back.

Giants had Simms through 93, Giant gap of crap, then Manning in 2005.

Colts had Manning and Luck consecutively from 1998 through current except for one neck injury year.

Pats did have Bledsoe and Brady back to back as well for nearly as long as Packers had Favre/Rodgers.

Giants had pretty good stability even during the 'crap' years - Dave Brown started 53 games over 4 years, and Kerry Collins for 5 years. That accounts for 9 of those 12 years. Related...I didn't realize Eli hasn't missed a game over 12 seasons!
Patriots had about 10 different starters in the late 80's, early 90's, luminaries such as Tom Hodson, Scott Secules and Mark Wilson.

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Giants had pretty good stability even during the 'crap' years - Dave Brown started 53 games over 4 years, and Kerry Collins for 5 years. That accounts for 9 of those 12 years. Related...I didn't realize Eli hasn't missed a game over 12 seasons!
Patriots had about 10 different starters in the late 80's, early 90's, luminaries such as Tom Hodson, Scott Secules and Mark Wilson.

Maybe I'll give you Collins, high draft pick and all. But I refuse to concede that Dave Brown settles your QB position.

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Maybe I'll give you Collins, high draft pick and all. But I refuse to concede that Dave Brown settles your QB position.

Do you really want to get into the debate of draft status == skill *cough cough* Brady *cough*
Caveat: I have no idea who Dave Brown is. And I still think you're off your meds for saying thigh pads were mandated to help guard against concussions!

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The Packers have had only 14 different players start at least one game at QB in the past 40 years, since the 1977 season. That included 631 games (14 game schedule in 1977 and 9 in 1982.) In that time frame, they have had just 6 different guys who were their first string QBs, Dickey, Whitehurst, Wright, Majkowski, Favre and Rodgers; and they started 598 of the 631 games during their careers as a starter or backup. The other 33 were started by 8 different backups.

They are seldom looking for anything but a backup, and many of those years only for a #3, as their #2 was set, too.

In that same time frame, the Bears have had 39 different QBs start at least one game..

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I took the original post about this point (not the OP of the thread) was that the Packers would never name a black QB full time to starting QB. Implication was that Hundley is not going to be the Packers starter ever due to race.

I doubt Hudley will ever be a starter for the Packers, but not for any nefarious reasons - APRH (Rodgers) timing will deny him the opportunity. He's signed through 2018, I don't see Rodgers leaving before then. If he shows any promise, he'll likely be too expensive to resign to a second contract.

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Do you really want to get into the debate of draft status == skill *cough cough* Brady *cough*
Caveat: I have no idea who Dave Brown is. And I still think you're off your meds for saying thigh pads were mandated to help guard against concussions!

High draft pick position doesn't guarantee much, but it DOES guarantee time and starting opportunities. So having mediocre first round pick playing QB is much different from a replacement/backup standpoint than having a mediocre fourth round pick starting.

Brown could have been replaced by a toaster oven and the Giants would have been better. The only guy incapable of beating him out was his backup, Kent Graham. Or Tommy Maddox. Or Danny Kanell.

And Kanell got the majority of playing time in two seasons.

Woof. Vick joke.

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High draft pick position doesn't guarantee much, but it DOES guarantee time and starting opportunities. So having mediocre first round pick playing QB is much different from a replacement/backup standpoint than having a mediocre fourth round pick starting.

Brown could have been replaced by a toaster oven and the Giants would have been better. The only guy incapable of beating him out was his backup, Kent Graham. Or Tommy Maddox. Or Danny Kanell.

And Kanell got the majority of playing time in two seasons.

Woof. Vick joke.

I was going to add Jess "still a bachelor' Palmer to the list, but I think that's about 5 years too late.

That wooshing sound you heard is the Vick joke going over my head