This is going to be difficult: the NFL in your restroom

[pbmax]

I really hate to paint with a broad brush. Some might not believe that I actually hate to type what I'm about to because its very unfair to all the homosexuals it DOESN'T apply to but....Statistics show that the 3% of the population that is homosexual commits approximately 1/3 of the cases of pedophilia. So, those parents actually have a valid concern.

You need to do a to more math to get to valid concern.

[bobblehead]

I am glad we agree that the legislation caused people to pull out of NC and cost the state some money (Pay Pal for one). As for your contention that the state's GDP still grew, I am not sure how that affects the NFL's sponsors.

Certainly it caused some people to pull out of NC, but I disagree that it cost the state some money. The state is thriving in large part BECAUSE it is taking stands against foolishness. Just because Springstein pulled out doesn't mean they didn't book a more lucrative deal in his place.

[bobblehead]

You need to do a to more math to get to valid concern.

It depends. In my hometown of shawano one of the only 2 openly gay teachers molested young men for about 20 years. Is that math enough for you?

[bobblehead]

You need to do a to more math to get to valid concern.

I'll give you math. If 3% of the population is committing 33% of said crime then 97% is committing the other 67%. That means a member of the 3% is more than 12x more likely to commit said crime.

If there is 1 homosexual teacher in a school and 12 non homosexual teachers and there is a case of pedophilia then its more than 50% likely the homosexual committed the act.

[pbmax]

I'll give you math. If 3% of the population is committing 33% of said crime then 97% is committing the other 67%. That means a member of the 3% is more than 12x more likely to commit said crime.

If there is 1 homosexual teacher in a school and 12 non homosexual teachers and there is a case of pedophilia then its more than 50% likely the homosexual committed the act.

And what is the incidence rate of pedophilia in a single school?

[bobblehead]

As expected this thread is off topic already. And no, its not my fault. I didn't bring up NC or the psychiatric definition of gender dysphoria. I merely corrected the inaccurate assertions put forth.

[bobblehead]

And what is the incidence rate of pedophilia in a single school?

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2012/02/is_sexual_abuse_in_schools_very_common_.html

pretty damn high apparently. Is your google broke?

Edit: I am open to the argument that liberal media blow this topic way out of proportion as it is a "pet subject" to them. Much like every woman who ever attended college has been raped.

[pbmax]

It depends. In my hometown of shawano one of the only 2 openly gay teachers molested young men for about 20 years. Is that math enough for you?

Nope. Terrible as those incidents were, the conclusion you want to draw largely depends on the overall incidence of pedophilia in Shawano and the number of closeted gay men.

[pbmax]

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...y_common_.html

pretty damn high apparently. Is your google broke?

Edit: I am open to the argument that liberal media blow this topic way out of proportion as it is a "pet subject" to them. Much like every woman who ever attended college has been raped.

I have enough to do without doing your research for you. But that one study does not distinguish between pedophilia (your original point) and inappropriate conduct between people above the age of consent.

[bobblehead]

Nope. Terrible as those incidents were, the conclusion you want to draw largely depends on the overall incidence of pedophilia in Shawano and the number of closeted gay men.

I can't remember a single event being reported to authorities. I did know personally 2 people who were targeted and resisted and one who did not.

[bobblehead]

I have enough to do without doing your research for you. But that one study does not distinguish between pedophilia (your original point) and inappropriate conduct between people above the age of consent.

The article defines that as pedophilia. I understand your point, and I also understand your tactic. A typical liberal defense involves deflecting every point of every argument and questioning its validity. In the meantime the original point is never actually debated and the person is kept on constant defense. As I have pointed out, studies prove that homosexuals are 12x more likely to commit acts of pedophilia than non homosexuals. 10% of all high school kids are inappropriately touched by adults which would make the incidence at any school with more than 100 students nearly 100% (99.7% if you like bell curves). So, the concern a parent has that a homosexual teacher at a school makes their child more susceptible to the crime is valid.

I personally don't agree with it, and I am much better at formulating an argument against it than you have been, but my point wasn't to criticize a parent with a valid concern.

[texaspackerbacker]

Gosh, I ignore Packerrats for a half day, and this breaks out hahahahaha. I wonder how long before it all ends up in FYI - where it probably belongs.

Skinbasket, I commend you on the original post - ESPECIALLY that line that Guiness has a problem with.

Bobblehead, I commend you on your astute math.

Where I read the title, my first thought was it was gonna be about the Jerry Sandusky like-father-like-son thing - apparently the wrong kind of liking hahahahaha.

Getting to the topic itself, it's disgusting to me that the NFL shills for sick causes like this transgender crap. I seriously doubt that any more than a tiny tiny fraction of players or fans side with the perverted bullshit that politically correct assholes push in this country. Somebody, however, is promoting policies like this. Whoever that is should be weeded out and removed.

As for Texas, this law is not even considered controversial down here, and it absolutely reflects the wishes of the huge huge majority of the people/voters. I really don't think that makes Texas any different, though, from pretty much any other state. As for any effect of this NFL stupidity, there obviously just was a Super Bowl in Texas; The only other suitable venue just had one what? 6 or 7 years ago. Neither would likely have one for a while. By the time their turn comes up again, undoubtedly the all out idiocy of this catering to perverts will have blown over - based on recent elections, the trend in the country seems to be moving away from such weirdness and from the disease of political correctness in general.

[pbmax]

The article defines that as pedophilia. I understand your point, and I also understand your tactic. A typical liberal defense involves deflecting every point of every argument and questioning its validity. In the meantime the original point is never actually debated and the person is kept on constant defense. As I have pointed out, studies prove that homosexuals are 12x more likely to commit acts of pedophilia than non homosexuals. 10% of all high school kids are inappropriately touched by adults which would make the incidence at any school with more than 100 students nearly 100% (99.7% if you like bell curves). So, the concern a parent has that a homosexual teacher at a school makes their child more susceptible to the crime is valid.

I personally don't agree with it, and I am much better at formulating an argument against it than you have been, but my point wasn't to criticize a parent with a valid concern.

Bobble, I don't know exactly who you are arguing with, but its not me.

Your original post said pedophilia, I did not. Pedophilia is defined as a perversion that makes an object of sexual desire out of pre-pubescent children.

The article describes the study's results as including "lewd comments, exposure to pornography, peeping in the locker room, and sexual touching or grabbing" The study covered students from eighth to eleventh grade (likely from 13 to 17 years old). Only a certain number of these students will be pre-pubescent*. Only a certain number will have had that unwelcome encounter while prepubescent (its unclear to me, but I am assuming the study asked for any encounter no matter the age of the student). So this story and link do not give us the number your calculation needs.


* None of the behavior should be excused on this basis, but the conversation started about a specific type of assault

[Joemailman]

This will be difficult, but I think you savages can handle it, because it is an interesting topic. The NFL has threatened Texas, insomuch that if they pass a law that allows businesses to decide their own restroom policies, they will punish the state by refusing to host future events there. I'm assuming they mean the Superbowl, since no one cares about anything else.

So - this is not a discussion of how you feel about the recent rise in restroom sociopolitical theory.

Seems Skin was a little too optimistic.

[SkinBasket]

It is precisely an edit. You have reduced the effect of the law to one particular, when it has multiple effects.

I was attempting to limit this discussion to the portion of the law that pertains to this discussion. Just as you limit your examples of what happened in NC to the negative ramifications of similar laws being enacted.

The main point being: if the NFL's interest in this is monetary, why would they threaten the entire state instead of handling this in-house with the franchise owners? I hate to state it for the 3rd time, but the NFL's engagement in sociopolitical appeasement cost them unprecedented viewership this season. The crux of this post wasn't about who is using which restroom, it was about the NFL attempting to become a political entity and the ramifications of that. I kind of feel like you're proving that point. They may be winning in certain sociopolitical arenas, in this case, very limited ones, but they're losing with their viewer, and economic, base.